Jeremy: Good evening, and welcome to
Progressively Horrified: the podcast

where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.

Tonight, we're talking about
the incredible and incredibly

weird Psycho Goreman.

I am your host, Jeremy Whitley,
and with me tonight, I have a

panel of cinephiles and Cenobites.

First, they're here to invade your
house and find queer content in all

your favorite movies, my co-host
and comic book writer, Ben Kahn.

Ben, how are you?

Ben: Finally a movie with a happy ending.

Jeremy: And, we picked her up at
the spooky crossroads of anime and

sexy monster media it's co-host
and comics artist, Emily Martin.

How are you Emily?

Emily: I will say I do like hunky
boys and Psycho Goreman gets my

entire sexy monster approval.

Jeremy: Just to give people
the basics: this is written and

directed by Steven Kostanski.

It stars: Nita-Josée Hanna, Owen Myre,
Adam Brooks, and Alexis Kara Hancey as

well as a lot of people in heavy costumes
and makeup and stuff like that that

are a little bit more difficult to see.

The IMDb for it says after unearthing
a gem that controls an evil monster,

looking to destroy the universe,
a young girl and her brother use

it to make him do their bidding.

And yeah, that's a pretty accurate
description of what's going on here.

Ben: Except for the
"and her brother" part.

Nobody's doing Luke's bidding!

Jeremy: Or poor, poor Luke,

Ben: The scene at the end where
Psycho Goreman knows the names of

the mom and dad, but still not Luke.

Ah I just love this movie.

I just, I have no commentary.

I'm just like, Hey, remember that line.

Everything was good!

Every joke landed!

Jeremy: Yeah.

I think down to like, it's starting
with the scroll with narration as it

like slowly pans up to the, the earth.

I think at that point I was like,
all right it had better earn this.

Ben: I'm thinking what my
critiques of this movie are.

I have one critique.

And I think it's that Psycho Goreman
should have been the one to suggest

crazy ball instead of having Mimi
suggest crazy ball at the end.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I do want to talk some about the
beginning of this, because it does

open with this like raging battle scene
that's between Mimi and her brother,

Luke with them playing crazy ball,
which will be like a huge thing in this.

And crazy ball, the rules don't matter
as much as that, you just know that it's

a thing that they make up on the fly.

They've added all these crazy rules too.

And it just needs to be a thing that
like evokes that feeling of like kids

playing and making up a game as they go.

It starts off shot in this very
like epic widescreen battle mode.

And then at one point they just
zoom out and you can see like the

two of them like spinning around
and randomly doing jumping jacks.

And just like how, how silly all of
this really looks as they're doing it.

Ben: Which is really set up for the
amazing joke of the slow-mo epic Psycho

Goreman versus his Paladins fight,
which then also gets the zoom out and

takes away the music and sound effects.

And he's just getting hosed
down with a weird red goo.

Emily: Oh yeah, yeah.

Him and all the, various monsters.

Including "Mr.

Meatgrinder".

Ben: Meatgrinder Man, who, by the way, is
played by Rich Evans of Red Letter Media.

Emily: Really?

Oh my God.

Jeremy: There's a lot of like
really interesting cameos of

people, but you can't actually see
them 'cause they're under crazy

makeup or costumes or whatever.

Ben: A real Who's Who
of Canada's Indy finest.

Emily: I was expecting Henry
Zebrowski to show up, but I don't

think he's in any of those costumes.

Ben: I feel like one of them, one of them
should have been voiced by Bryan Cranston

as just an extra homage to Power Rangers.

Jeremy: They have Stuart Wellington
of The Flop House in there.

Uh, as Tube Man

Emily: Does Tube Man even have
any- well, he's just in the suit.

Ben: Every...

Emily: I don't think Tube Man has any
speaking lines, I think he's just like-

Ben: Doesn't he make some noises?

Doesn't he make something
like "whoo whup whup whup"?

Emily: Maybe...

Jeremy: I do know that he volunteers to
go first to shoot himself at the end.

Emily: Yeah, he does raise his robot arm.

Ben: Every creature
designed in this movie is.

Fucking phenomenal.

Emily: Yeah.

It's one of those things that happens
sometimes when you have that real talent,

and I'm sure that there's editing involved
in this, but it feels so freeform just

like a couple of kids playing crazy ball
and just making shit up as they go along,

Jeremy: Yeah I- I think it's really like,
you have one person who's doing the writer

director, and is a special effects person.

So they don't have to play telephone
to get this, meat grinder, man out.

They're the person
that's doing this stuff.

So I think like this movie is so smart
and the way it moves, because I think

like this first scene, both of the way
that that first scene is shot, and then

the fact that Mimi's prize for winning,
or I guess Luke's for losing is that he

has to be buried alive in the backyard.

And he has some dig like this
giant hole in the backyard,

Ben: Well, I love Luke's quiet
resignation at this beginning.

He was like "that's fair."

Jeremy: Quiet resignation
is Luke's default mode.

It's like, oh, well, I guess.

Ben: Luke has been beaten down
very early in life by Mimi.

Jeremy: I mean, that's the setup for like
how they find this whatever the container

is that Psycho Goreman is in, which is
sealed by this gem that she takes off.

That ends up being how she is
able to control him and make

him be, you know, her monster
throughout the course of this movie.

The whole setup is just brilliant
and it's set up so quickly.

Cause you know, once he does bust out,
you get this one scene of him with

the, you know, petty criminals who
are just there to die in that scene.

You can't possibly root for these
guys or feel bad that they died.

Cause they're sitting around like
talking about all the stuff they just

stole from an old man that they killed.

It's like, well, these guys suck.

All right.

Ben: These are some gangsters
straight out of an alley of

a Frank Miller Batman comic.

Emily: This movie, I'm just going to
say right now, is not like a movie

that it is a beacon of any sort of
progressive politics or any sort

of- I mean, you have Mimi as this
fantastically monstrous girl character,

as opposed to, little boy problem
child who is her cinema progenitor...

but this movie is just about as
ridiculous and just gross as it can be.

And it's a self-aware, I mean,
it's a hundred percent self-aware

about all its decisions.

Ben: In terms of progressiveness,
do we want to talk about the

queer content in this movie?

Up to and including
Psycho Goreman himself?

Emily: I do, because that is what
got me like ultimately interested.

It was got me to click the play
button on the Amazon Prime or my

Shudder subscription is I saw a
gif set and it was Psycho Goreman

looking at the- the hunky boys-

Jeremy: She offers him the
magazine with the hunky boys in it.

She was like here check
out the hunky boys.

And he says, uh, I,

Ben: I don't care about
hunky boys - or do I?

Incredible.

Incredible.

Well, What truly sent me, fucking
my soul left my body is when

the magazine gets stepped on

Jeremy: "Nooooo"

Ben: and yeah.

And Psycho Goreman, impassionately,
yells out, "Not my hunky boys!"

If there's a sequel and it's just a
straight up fucking romance of Psycho

Goreman and a hunky boy I'm in.

Emily: Yeah.

Yeah.

Jeremy: Emily, you said like, it's
not a bastion of, of progressiveness

or progressive politics, but I
feel like it, interestingly is,

and that it is not a movie that
is particularly about something.

It is a fun, stupid monster movie that
like, theoretically is about family.

Like it has a, you know, message about
caring about your family and stuff only

there because of the movies that it
is aspiring to be like the, you know,

eighties monster movies of its type.

The Goonies and and Monster
Squads and things like that.

But like, it takes all of that stuff
that like, this is like what I remember

Monster Squad being like as a kid
that like, when I go back and watch

those eighties movies, like Monster
Squad now, then I'm like, oh, they

just called this kid an F slur, like
eight times in the first five minutes.

I can't watch this with my kids.

it's hard to enjoy now because
it's, it's like, so eighties, it's

the politics and the language and
everything is just so rough to watch.

And I think this is like somebody
saying: Hey, I really loved these movies.

What if they were actually good?

Like what if they were progressive
enough that you can like have

this girl main character who is
not defined by being "the girl"?

She is the monster.

She is the horrible to her brother.

And there's never a point in the movie
where the movie goes, Hey, isn't it weird

that like the little girl is the bad one.

Or isn't it weird that this brother,
just let's- just let's her beat the

crap out of him because like this
is just the story, like that's,

Ben: She is not the girl.

She is the pure id who is constantly
operating at galaxy brain levels.

Emily: Yeah.

And she's, she's so fantastic.

It's you don't even have time to think
about anything else other than all

the crazy shit she's doing on screen.

Jeremy: Weirdly, in a way, it is feminist.

It has interesting if not
profuse like queer content.

It doesn't no homo in the way that so
many of these types of horror movies do-

Ben: No, it "Yes Homo!"

It has the chance to be "no homo",
starts out as "no homo" and then

goes "Actually on second thought?

Yes, homo."

Jeremy: Yeah.

There is class content.

but it's so surface level you know, All
this stuff happening at the abandoned shoe

factory that's been left behind by this-

Ben: Oh, I thought you were
going to talk about, um, PGs

backstory as like the slave and

Emily: That is actually a good point.

Ben: I mean, you do have that.

Expect the philosophical depth
of a cool 1970s laser rock show.

Emily: Yeah.

This, I think the summation of this film
as the movie that we wanted the Goonies

to be, or that we wanted Monster Squad
to be is perfect because this is exactly

that like it's with the same effects.

But with a smarter, uh, script
with smarter characters, again,

it's, it's an over the top.

Ridiculous.

Jeremy: The mom and dad are kind of
awful, especially the dad, but like

it's in a way that's very like winking.

Like we know what we're doing.

Horror movies are like this, like the
parents movies are always terrible.

Ben: I laughed so hard when
the dad told the small card

collection in the van story.

Jeremy: Yes.

this dad's moment of like
triumphant dad, inspiring speeches.

Like when I was 10, oh, this old creepy
guy was like, I want to show you this

collection of baseball cards in my band.

So I went to the van with him and I got
to see some really cool baseball cards.

And that's what you should take
away from this is you should, you

should really trust the creepy,
uh, you know, murder in your life.

Ben: I knew-

Emily: -trust this creepy murder monster,

Ben: I knew that this dad was
solid gold when the Luke asked

him if there are monsters and he
says humans are the real monsters.

So yes.

Emily: Yeah.

The dad actually, well, it's funny
because you see the parents at the

beginning and they seem okay...

They become more and more cartoonish.

Jeremy: I think from moment one,

Ben: He microwaved a chicken

Emily: Despite his
compound fracture later,

Jeremy: He's straight up breaks his
arm, like bone sticking out, you

know, when he tries to high-five PG.

Emily: Yeah.

So good.

Ben: I love this movie so much, y'all!

Emily: This film is this just as
any film should be, a string of

great moments that are memorable.

Great characters that even though some
of them do not have any speaking lines

whatsoever are entirely memorable.

And that's what makes a good film.

Like you think about The Fifth
Element, you know, that movie didn't

change the world or maybe it did.

I don't know.

I mean, who is some people's minds maybe

Ben: It changed Chris Tucker's world.

Emily: Every character in that movie,
whether they spoke or not, or how

much they spoke was pretty memorable.

That's good shit right there.

Ben: Oh, another amazing moment is the
evil gang bad crime people that get killed

by Psycho Goreman in his introduction.

One of them, he doesn't kill.

He just sends in like eye-rolling eternal
pain dimension, the fantastic moment

when they knock him over and he dies.

And the PG's reaction is
no, he was my masterpiece.

Emily: Yeah.

There's so much stuff in this movie
there these beautiful little homages.

You know, you have those eighties
quirky horror adventures.

And then you have Hellraiser.

Jeremy: Like the like eighties,
electricity that he uses

to like move people around.

And you know, that's clearly like
drawn on the screen in the same way

the Hellraiser stuff is, you know, the
weird, poetic way in which he, you know,

talks to people as he's killing them,
that the guy is like, no, don't kill me.

And he's like, I will, I shall
leave you alive to be in pain for

thousands of years or something.

Ben: Yeah.

But when he's like, who are, you know, me?

And then he turns into Bio-Cop.

Emily: Yeah, he did.

In order to like into go to grok
his true name, you have to melt.

Like you can't understand who he is,
unless you physically melt your body.

It is truly unique.

there is a certain appreciation
for practical for these practical

effects in these rubber suits.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I mean, there's, as far as I can
tell, other than maybe some of

the backgrounds and stuff, there,
there is no CGI in this movie.

That is not a thing they're interested in.

Everything is

Ben: maybe some of the lasers

Jeremy: yeah.

Emily: I mean, the CGI there's the,
at the end credits, there's the Psycho

Goreman title card, which is definitely
CGI, but in a sort of very Tron way.

Jeremy: Speaking of, Can we
talk about "I'm the Heckin'

Best" her- Mimi's- musical number
in the middle of this movie?

Emily: Yeah, the fuckin' montage
with the, where they go and

they dress Psycho Goreman up

Jeremy: They just start doing karaoke
with, Psycho Goreman and their parents.

And Luke is like backup dancers and stuff.

As they're going through all this I
think we've established, I love a

horror movie with a musical number,

you know.

Emily: We need to talk about.

The Wicker man soon.

But, uh, anyway.

Ben: We need to do talk about the Psycho
Gore-sword, that Psycho Goreman brings.

Emily: All the decisions like that's
another thing about this movie is

that these decisions that they make
these like creative decisions again,

so fucking chaotic, and beautiful.

So Psycho Goreman is up against
the Pandora, the Templar angel,

a fascist angel lady and-

Ben: Final Fantasy final boss.

Emily: Yeah.

Jeremy: He's gotten his gem back because
he had been poisoned by Paladins.

Ben: I'm sorry.

Penultimate, ultimate boss.

I know my Final Fantasies.

You get the humanoid first,
then you get the monster.

Emily: Yeah, she doesn't have bits.

There's no bits to this monster yet.

Although if a movie had a final
monster with bits, I will know

that my childhood is valid.

So she's like got her holy
laser blade or whatever.

And then Psycho Goreman
doesn't have a sword.

And she's like, well, how are
you going to defeat my blade?

And he proceeds to pull a bunch of her
body parts out and stick them together.

Like he's putting together the
fucking master sword or the power

ranger sword, but with guts.

And he manages to beat her with a sword
made from her own guts, which is fucking-

Ben: It makes sense that he-

Emily: fire

Ben: beats her.

She's lost a half of her, her.

Emily: Yeah.

But they're like in the sort of like
wobbly-ass cosplay swords that they're

using and they're not hiding it.

You're not trying to make
it bigger than it is.

They're not trying to hide any of this
rubber, because they're bracing the

rubber and the sword that I don't know
if it's sharp, it's certainly pointy.

Like a cone made out of intestine.

Ben: It's a meat and bone cone.

I do got appreciate.

I do got to give it to um, Pandora.

It's like, he's just ripped out
so many, any of your organs and

you're like, I still got a shot.

I can still beat him at sword play.

But, um, we get, the culmination of
our, active or rule of threes with

the, let's zoom out and show this epic
thing we were just showing as being

kind of silly when you're getting
Luke and Mimi's reconciliation and

they're just bashing their swords at
each other in the background while

slowly walking across the screen.

Emily: Yeah.

This movie is really great in it's
parody of those kinds of transitions

in these action movies that are, it's
still go on, you know, like you're in

the middle of a building falling, and
then somebody is talking about how

they've always loved you or whatever.

And then, all of the sound goes out
and this is just unapologetically,

like, this what's the word?

Whiplash of transitions from a
completely different mood, even

though it's in the same scene.

Ben: Yeah.

This movie thrives on just again,
using either absurdity or normalcy

to subvert all expectations.

Like whenever the show,
whenever a story, playing it

straight with Zig this one zags.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jeremy: I think you're talking
about Final Fantasy bosses.

And I think this end scene feels so much
like Final Fantasy, because like first you

have to play the weird games to beat them.

But yeah, cause you have to, you
have to get through that first and

when you win that, then it's the
big fight because the blitz wall is

supposed to solve everything, but
there's still going to be a fight.

The only thing that's missing is,
you know, her turning into ten story-

Ben: that's not the story
of final fantasy, but I'm

going to let you continue.

Jeremy: I do love the only part
of this we really haven't talked

about so far is the ending.

They beat this evil Nazi angel and
then like Psycho Goreman's like, of

course, I'm going to spare all of you.

Like I said, like I said, I was
you've taught me a valuable lesson

about family and friendship.

And it's like, even the characters
in the movie are like, did we?

Did we teach you that?

Emily: What are you talking about?

Ben: When they're debating, whether to
give the gem back to a Psycho Goreman

and say, remember, I was like, yes,
yes, I will spare you and the family.

And they're like, okay.

Yeah, that's good.

And like, what about the rest of humanity?

Oops.

Jeremy: I forgot to ask about them.

Ben: Yeah.

Well it's too late now.

Jeremy: Yeah - and then it ends with like-

Ben: Again, good, good- fuck Humanity.

What about our species is worth saving?

Come on.

Psycho Goreman.

Jeremy: Then it ends with the family,
like going back to their nice normal

family life with like news reports in the
background, of Psycho Goreman destroying

and terrorizing the rest of the world.

It's just played as a happy
ending is it's fantastic.

Ben: There is a line we hear
in that newscast where it

says no casualties reported.

Now, does that mean somehow Psycho
Goreman is destroying all the buildings

without killing anybody or he's killed
everyone who would do the reporting.

Emily: Who knows?

We'll find out from the comics.

Ben: These are the no casualties that's
doing the heavy lifting or is it the

reported doing the heavy lifting?

Jeremy: Uh, thinking about the politics
and when we talked about, how it

doesn't have a lot of problems, as
far as the things that normally might

with feminism and with the LGBTQ
content, I think the place where

it's maybe the least progressive
is there's, very little race stuff.

There's one person of color
and she's immediately killed.

And then, impersonated
by the evil angel lady.

And then it doesn't really make an
attempt to say anything about mental

illness, other than making a psycho a cool
part of the name of the main character

which, I don't know it is what it is.

Ben: A little unfortunate thing with it
in terms of race, like, Ooh, is the, like

the one character of color immediately
have their identity stolen and co-opted

by an all white, powerful, fascist.

Emily: I think there's a
deliberate quality to that.

There might be some commentary there.

I don't know, like I might be
looking into this movie about rubber

monsters a lot more than I should,
but you know what, that's my job.

So I'm going to.

I feel like it was considering all
of the decisions, all of the zags,

where we would expect to zigs.

I think that there is something to a
little, there's some commentary there.

And also the fact that they call
pretty much call everything out

that needs to be called out.

Ben: Yeah.

And I mean, that's true.

Jeremy: Really at this point, if you're
right, if, unless they're a member

of the family in this movie, awful
things are going to happen to them.

So like, do you want to still
have somebody of color in the cast

that an awful thing happens to?

Or do you just not want to have
any people of color in the cast?

Because-

Ben: Very legit,

Jeremy: Those are your options

Ben: very legit.

Again, this movie's amazing.

I fucking love this movie so fucking hard.

Emily: The ending has two songs.

There's a glam metal song about
Psycho Goreman that then shifts

immediately into a nineties hip
hop song about Psycho Goreman.

Very much in the vein of Humpty
Hump's "T U R T L E Power".

Jeremy: Any movie that Will
Smith was in, in the nineties.

Emily: Yeah.

And the Addams Family,
which was a weird one

Ben: I miss Will Smith
doing themes for his movies.

Cause that could only
have improved Gemini Man.

Jeremy: Do you want him to do a cool
rap song for the end of King Richard?

Ben: Yes!

Yes!

Absolutely!

Jeremy: You know what?

I would love a thematic rap song
about Venus and Serena Williams

at the end of that movie.

Ben: Yes-uh!

Emily: Tag will Smith.

You're welcome.

Ben: Oh my God.

Emily: Do it.

Yeah.

The, and the, uh, the hip hop song
about Psycho Goreman, PG for short,

doesn't refer to Luke by name either.

Just "Mimi and her brother".

Ben: Ah.

Emily: Alas.

Ben: And the parents will end the movie...

together?

Question mark?

Emily: I mean, as together as
they can be, um, they were at

the beginning of the movie.

Yeah,

Ben: there's a real, um, God, what's
the parents' names and Rick and

Morty, Jerry and Beth energy to them.

Emily: Yeah that's another thing that
this movie is quite a lot like, it's

kind of like Rick and Morty, but it's not
up its own ass like Rick and Morty is.

Jeremy: Take on the Rick and Morty fandom.

C'mon guys.

Ben: I am not, I'm not, I'm
not poking that hornet's nest.

No, I love you're so right when they're
first introduced, the parents seem normal.

And then the dad just
becomes so comically useless.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: And then you get the mom
transforming and then it's like,

God, there's nothing in this movie.

So everything in this movie is going
to be fucking hilarious and amazing.

And I love it.

Jeremy: I guess that answer is what
would be our next question is, would

we recommend people watch this movie?

Ben: I would recommend you watch
this movie a thousand times.

Emily: Like two nanoseconds.

Yes.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I think comparatively to a
lot of movies, we've watched

relatively few trigger warnings.

I mean, there is a lot of blood, if
that's a problem for you, there's a lot

of gore there's no attempted rape, which
is, you know, a nice change of pace.

Ben: Yeah.

A few monsters get eaten alive.

So I'd say either trigger warnings
or happy viewings, depending

on how you feel about that.

Yeah.

Emily: Oh yeah.

It's going to flag that one.

You decide, but yeah, there's a lot
of guts, certainly a lot of guts.

Jeremy: I guess Emily, what,
uh, what would you recommend

people enjoyed Psycho Goreman?

Emily: I'm going to go with the
original Kamen Rider and the more

recent Kamen Rider Series there.

The Japanese Kamen Rider series, there's
a whole universe of television programs.

the Kamen Rider and Super Sentai
which is the Japanese Power Rangers.

And those series are hilarious.

If you can find the original ones.

I mean, the original Power Rangers
certainly was, it had a quality TM, but-

" Jeremy: A quality."

Emily: Yes.

Jeremy: It had "a quality" to it.

Emily: Uh...

yeah...

The Kamen Rider series
are really hilarious.

And also, we think of these
shows being like serious shows

about heroes, their kids shows.

And they're also, in the same way that
a lot of kids' shows here are smart

and funny and accessible that way.

It's very similar also with
a similar amount of gore.

Check out the Kamen Rider series
and that whole run, it goes through

the nineties and there's a lot
of fantastic stuff out there.

Jeremy: You have a favorite
rendition of Kamen Rider?

Emily: Oh gosh.

I can't remember the name of it.

Jeremy: I've heard a lot of
people really like Fourze.

Emily: Is that the one where...

Jeremy: He's the one who wants
to make friends with everybody.

That's all I know.

Emily: Which was the one who
always points at the sun?

That's the one that I like.

Ben: Babe Ruth did that.

And then he hit the home run
only after getting a magical

girl transformation sequence.

Emily: Yeah.

This was similar.

Except he, whenever he said his name,
he would point to the sun because he

was named after the sun or something.

I can't remember.

I just remember it was really
good and I could Google it.

But I want to hear what
Ben's recommendation is.

Ben: As a huge fan of horror comedy,
it is my favorite sub-genre of horror.

This one is right up there
with the best of them.

So check out Shaun of the Dead, check
out what We Do in the Shadows movie

and show check out Tucker and Dale vs.

Evil checkout, Evil Dead: II
,uh, and just have yourselves

a good bunch of spooky laughs.

Emily: Oh, Kamen Rider, Kabuto,

Jeremy: Like the little circle pokemon?

Emily: Kabuto.

The,

Ben: Yeah, that's the
one, the fossil Pokemon.

Also the evil nurse from Naruto
and the Japanese word for helmet.

Emily: Yeah.

Which is named after the
Japanese rhinoceros beetle.

Ben: Oh shit.

Put me in my fucking place.

Jeremy: Nice.

For me, I'm going to recommend something
that's not particularly related.

But I've been playing over the
last week a game I'm playing on PS

five, I know it's on PlayStation
four as well, called Until Dawn.

You haven't played Until Dawn it is a
movie that makes a lot of use of mocap.

It really like it has actors and
actresses in the movie that it goes

through great pains to make, let you know
that they're playing these characters.

It's got a pretty awesome cast of people.

But it basically puts you into a
slasher movie where like there's, you

know, various slasher stuff happening.

It's a group of friends who, uh,
you know, a year ago they were at

this cabin and their friends who
were twins ended up because of a

prank running off into the snow.

And they ended up you know,
meeting their untimely demise.

They haven't been seen since then.

And now a year later, they're
coming back to this thing to

remember them and then, immediately
strange stuff starts happening.

There's a weird guy is in the woods
and there's some very like saw level

kind of stuff going on as well as like
some, you know, supernatural things.

It's a really fun experience because
depending on the choices you make and the

things you do in the games, some of your
characters, aren't going to make it out.

You know, if you choose the
wrong thing and you put yourself

in, you put your character in
danger, your character will die.

I don't know how far I am in.

I think I'm only a few, I'm only a
few hours from Dawn at this point, but

I have lost at least one of the main
characters, if not two one of my guys

got tongue hung on a hook by his face.

The game will give you hints, basically,
foreshadowing things that'll happen.

So that you can figure out ways
to avoid them if you're, you know,

eagle-eyed and, and paying attention.

But this is all delivered through picking
up Native American totems that are

scattered throughout the game, that if
you pick them up and you look at the back

of them, they will show you a bit of a
scene of something that is yet to happen.

And it's really slapdash Native
American mysticism stuff.

Which is, is less than great.

But I think it's, it's an unimportant
enough part of the story that it it

doesn't really affect the enjoyability
of the game until you really start

thinking about this mechanic and it's
like, wow, why didn't they even do this?

But yeah, until Dawn
definitely an interesting one.

If you know, you're a fan of horror
stuff it's worth checking out for sure.

Thanks, Ben and Emily as always for
joining me here and thanks to all of

you for joining us here and listening.

You can find Emily @megamoth
on twitter and @mega_moth on

instagram and at megamoth.net.

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their website on at benkahncomics.com,

where you can pick up all their
latest books, including the brand new

Immortals, Fenix Rising graphic novel
from Great Beginnings and the GLAAD award

nominated Renegade Rule graphic novel.

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at J Rome five eight, and on my
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Emily: Did you clap?

Jeremy: I clapped.

Emily: Okay.

I didn't hear it.

Ben: Very quiet clap.

Very Zen.