Alicia: Hey, just a heads up the episode.

You're about to listen to a
Sukup directed by Chito S.

Roño and written by Chito S.

Roño and Chris Martinez.

Some relevant trigger warnings for
this movie include jump scares,

child abandonment and suicide.

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Jeremy: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified the podcast

where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.

Tonight: we're taking a look into the
markets in which horror is huge, but the

films don't actually make it into the U S.

We're talking about a movie here,
which was at one point the highest

grossing box office of any movie
made in the Philippines, Sukob-

also known as The Wedding Curse.

I'm your host, Jeremy Whitley and
with me tonight, I have a panel

of cinephiles and cenobites.

First, they're here to invade your
house and find queer content in all

your favorite movies, my co-host
and comic book writer Ben Kahn.

Ben, how are you tonight?

Ben: I'm just going to show extended
family this movie, when they ask why me

and my partner haven't had a wedding yet.

Jeremy: Important.

And we picked her up at the spooky
crossroads of anime and sexy

monster media it's co-host and
comic book artist, Emily Martin.

How are you tonight, Emily?

Emily: Doing good.

I think that the ghost girl in this
movie should also fight Sadako.

Jeremy: There is definitely
a Sadako influence there.

Ben: I'm not sure if she makes the
initial roster for ghost girl smash bros,

but she's definitely a DLC character.

Emily: I would put her up there because
her fucking potpourri , potpourri

sorry of British, suddenly British.

It's my whiteness, but yeah,
like she throws potpourri at you.

She has like wind powers.

She can crawl out of
anywhere, not just a TV.

Ben: She's the ghost girl
that haunts the Pier 1.

Jeremy: And our special guest
tonight, podcaster extraordinaire

with NRW Nerds Rule the World.

It's Kuya P.

How are you today, sir?

Kuya P: I am well, I'm honored and
delighted to be joining you all.

Thank you so much for this invite.

Truly appreciate it.

Emily: It's our pleasure.

Ben: Yeah.

Thank you so much for coming on.

Kuya P: Thank you.

Thank you.

This is this.

I can already feel.

This is going to be a lot of fun.

Yeah.

Jeremy: Okay.

Kuya P: I love it.

Jeremy: We've known each other
for a while through comic stuff.

And I've been looking for
an excuse to getcha on.

And I was like, now I want to talk about
some, uh, some stuff that's outside of our

usual, same thriller movies, A24 stuff.

So I was like, let's talk about-

Kuya P: But they're killing it right now,
I got to say, I still got to catch X.

Ben: They are.

Kuya P: That just dropped, man.

Ben: Now, before we get too into it,
what did people think about this movie?

Because, I didn't super love it,
but I don't want to be mean towards

anything that people really like.

Emily: I liked it.

I thought it was a cool, it felt like
an extended episode of the X-Files for

me, without the FBI procedural thing.

Um.

Ben: Yeah, I definitely agree with you.

It feels like a monster of the week
episode where Scully and Mulder just was

like, ah, shit, we didn't get that file.

Whoops.

Oh, that just sorted itself out it.

Emily: Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of
like, if, a lot of, uh-

Ben: That one got jammed in the printer.

Emily: Yeah, screw, it would
not hold up to scrutiny.

These murders question mark?

Curse?

With no bodies.

Like.

Jeremy: Listen, you save so
much money on special effects.

When the murder just
makes the body disappear.

Ben: I-

Kuya P: That is correct.

Ben: Feel like level of-

Kuya P: It's cost saving.

Ben: And I don't know
what this says about me.

I'm not a psychologist and I'm bad at self
reflection, but I go into these horror

movies with a certain level of blood lust.

Some real Roman gladiator type,
like, I need social sanctioned

like, gore and killing in my movie.

So when the body just fucking
disappears, I'm just feeling

violence, blue balled, every kill.

Emily: Here you are saying that
you're not into a self-reflection,

but you're wearing a Sandman shirt.

Ben: It's true.

Emily: So I might call a
little bit of bullshit here.

But I understand like when you
go into a horror movie and you're

like, okay, it is a horror movie.

It has horror in the genre title.

Ben: There is a metric quality of
kills and this is a movie who's

most memorable kill is, someone
lights a candle, and that's the end.

Jeremy: I will say.

The mom getting hit by a truck
trying to cross the road got me.

Because, she's the first one
stops and looks for the car.

The second one doesn't look for
the car and makes it across.

And then I was like, I thought
she was going to hit by a car and

then like the mom or the aunt or
whoever she is coming along behind

just walks right into the road.

And boom.

I was like, oh my God.

Got her-

Ben: My favorite moments in
the whole movie are that.

It's the best directed scene.

It's like, oh shit, there was some
creative camera working like right back.

Fucking nailed it.

Kuya P: They did do that.

Jeremy: Well, let's talk about
what the, what the movie is about

directly and everything here.

So we can get into that.

Cause I, I do want to talk about that.

So this is directed by Chito S.

Rono, uh, it is also
co-written by Chito S.

Rono and Chris Martinez, it stars,
uh, Kris Aquino and Claudine Barretto.

And IMDb did not have a
synopsis for this movie.

They were just like, oh, we don't know.

It played in eight
theaters in the U S total.

That was as far as I got here,
whereas taking it from Wikipedia

Sukob, which is literally the, the
wedding curse, is a 2006 Filipino

horror movie directed by Chito S.

Rono.

This is considered to be the highest
grossing Filipino film of all time

at the time it was made in 2006,
earning 203 million and until

2009 it was the highest grossing.

It was surpassed that point
by You Changed My Life.

The film's premise is based on the
Filipino superstition in which one can

not get married within the same year as
an immediate relative dies or marries

which is a bombshell, they drop later in
the movie that, or marries part because

it's, or dies for most of the movie.

And they're like, actually and it's like-

Emily: One more thing.

Ben: Which really made me worried.

Like, I'm like, is this a superstition?

And it's very, I'm like,
Nope, these are the rules.

Or they just make up for this movie.

And for all we know, there's
a whole bunch of other shit.

This seems a thing that people
are really concerned about.

Like how often is this happening?

Cause it seems like, like one out of
every eight marriages is cursed in

this movie, just based on how easy it,
it seems to be to have like a family

wide death curse put on your wedding.

I don't know why anyone does it.

Emily: I mean, I can imagine
a practical reason for this,

for like a story about a curse.

Now I know nothing close to
nothing about traditions in the

Philippines and stuff like that.

I'm just looking at it from
a economical viewpoint.

Thinking like, yeah, it is bad luck to
have a funeral and a wedding or like two

weddings in the same family in the same
year, because that's a shit ton of money.

Jeremy: Or three weddings and a funeral.

Emily: Yeah.

Or four weddings and a funeral.

Ben: So I should say going into this
listeners, I don't know anything about the

mythology and culture of the Philippines.

I am wildly unqualified to speak
on this podcast I'm co-hosting

by let's dive through it anyway.

Emily: Well, it's going to be a learning
experience for all of us, I think.

Jeremy: And I think, I mean, none of us
had seen this movie, but when we were,

when I was looking for stuff from the
area to do, I think I felt like a horror

movie that was the highest grossing
movie in the nation for three years.

It was like that's worth
checking out, right?

Emily: Yeah.

Jeremy: Kuya, what did, uh,
what did you think of this?

What struck you about this?

Kuya P: So, okay man, as the Residential
Am here to give that perspective, since

I am of Filipino heritage I was super
excited and delighted, because I grew up

in the U S so I know American films and,
you know, it's very difficult to get that

product from the Philippines to over here.

So it was few and far between, so I didn't
get to be familiar with things like this.

So super delighted and honored again
to be with you guys and share this.

As we spoke on earlier, we see a lot
of Japanese product, Chinese products

of horror films, which they rule
Korean product and they rule, right.

So tell me my people rule, like
I'm ready for like that aspect

of my country to excite me.

So I was like, okay.

And then Jeremy was like, it's
the top selling, you know, or,

you know, made the most money.

And I was like, all right, turned it on.

Well, I bought it on
Amazon prime or whatever.

So it was on Amazon prime, bought
it ready to got my popcorn ready.

I'm like, is this a TV movie?!

Well, at first I saw ABS-CBN, which
is the big network in the Philippines.

I was like, okay, that's weird.

But all right, you know, maybe they're,
they're helping fund this, but it then

felt like this is one long ass TV movie.

And it reminded me of some of the
movies my mom had me sit through

as a kid or TV shows that she
would get from the Philippines.

And I'm like, what is this?

And, uh, it then became very
meme worthy and like, you know,

like how a lot of people take
clips from stuff from overseas.

I'm like, okay.

Like we said earlier with the bell
what happened at the bell ringer

and him trying to shut that down.

And then the PA the jump scare
that happened there, I was like,

okay, I think I'm going to get my
laugh on more so than anything.

And, uh, it was a fun experience.

It was interesting uh, in
my culture in growing up.

I remember hearing a lot of these
wild, weird superstitions, so it's

very prevalent, but I think all
cultures have various superstitions.

I, I think w with us, you know, being very
Catholic, you know, there's like religious

overtones and a lot of those superstitions
and just, you know what I heard it, but

growing up, you know, I'm an American
kid growing up here, like, heard it,

forgot it, and it didn't stick with me.

So, to see it in display here, just
kind of reminded me all of that.

And actually I have one
big positive thing to this.

It's got me intrigued as a creator and
as a writer, like, you know what I think

I want to dive into this material now
find out more about these superstitions.

So, I definitely a
positive after watching.

Didn't hate the movie,
but I didn't love it.

It was just very interesting to see, and
it actually has me now wanting to dive

and find out find other projects that
the Philippines is doing as a whole.

And, uh, so I'm very thankful for you
guys giving me this opportunity to check

this out with you and, and talk about
it because this was a wild weird one.

Ben: Well, thank you
so much for coming on.

And this movie had a lot
of interesting cool stuff.

I like, I love learning about the festival
where everyone dresses as leaves and

you got to give the leaf people money.

But yeah, this movie does
really feel like a TV show.

Like it feels like it was the
directing really feels of kind

of like that TV show quality.

Jeremy: For the most part I feel like
the acting is really solid in this.

Kuya P: Yeah, I think they were all right.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Both.

Both the main actresses are really
good, but dad is like some of

the acting by the older act is
a little it's very soap opera-y.

Yeah.

Ben: And when the mom is running
out on the dad and the dad, just

like, you can't be mad at me.

It was something I did in the past.

Like what's the statute of limitations
on him having a secret family?

Emily: I think that that character,
because he just was like, to me,

he was the Filipino Joe Estevez?

Like, he just was a kind of like
a B-movie looking guy with his,

like B-movie kind of performance.

I was like, that's what solidified
it as that like B movie quality.

Otherwise I think it's important to note
also for the listeners, if you haven't

seen this movie on Amazon Prime, which
I dunno where else you can find it.

Jeremy: It's only available in the U
S on Amazon Prime and Apple TV, both

of which you have to, to rent it.

It's not streaming anywhere
that I was aware of here.

Kuya P: It's like less
than 10 bucks if you do.

Emily: Oh yeah.

It's, it's like a $4 rental on, on Amazon,
which, we don't have to talk about Amazon

or anything, but I will say this movie is
worth watching skip to the end, I guess,

there, but do I recommend this movie?

Yes, I'll say it again later, but
The quality of the movie on where

I watched on Amazon and it was
cropped like it was for television.

And it was definitely video quality.

Like even down to some of the frame
like static, you know, the VHS quality.

So it was definitely like
a VHS rip of this movie.

Perhaps even edited.

Jeremy: The description on
apple says it's a restoration.

Hm.

Okay.

The-

Ben: I wonder what the story there is.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I mean, it came out in 2006.

It's clearly filmed on film.

It's not like looking at it.

It's like, oh yeah, this
is not digital at all.

Kuya P: It's a little bit more recent
though, which is like, why does

it look so grainy to your point?

Ben: I feel like this movie
does have some pacing problems.

Like it's an hour 40.

I feel like it easily could have been
like an hour 30 hour 35, and there's

a lot of scenes where, you know, you
see it all the time in, American and

British movies and television shows
where the phone call they'll skip the

hi and the bye, and just like, do it.

And then like, they'll
say what they need to say.

And then hang up.

This movie made me realize why they
did that because the phone calls

this, we were like, oh, who is it?

Oh, hello there.

How are you doing?

Oh, I'm good.

Thank you.

Thing we actually need to say
for exposition in the movie.

Okay.

Take care, now.

Click.

I'm like, that was so much
longer than it needed to be.

Emily: There were some interesting choices
in terms of introduction of assist of a

sequence or scene or the movie itself.

And the amount of time spent and
then like some very abrupt edits.

Like I had to catch up with what was
going on with the, uh, with couple

number two for a second there.

Cause I was like, wait.

Yeah.

Very, no, yes, no, it's different people.

Okay.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I was really having trouble with that
early on because I was like, okay.

Oh, it's a wedding.

Oh wait.

That was a different wedding.

Wait where this other
wedding hasn't happened yet.

Okay.

Was it wait, was that like
a, was that foresight?

Oh no, it was, it was different people
having a different wedding somewhere else.

Emily: Okay.

Yeah.

And it's not Helen because well, we'll
get there, but I think that in terms

of the quality the movie I think could
be, if we have a restoration of it,

if we have like a full film ratio
version of the movie, it's probably

gonna come off a little bit different.

However the video quality did serve
the special effects well, because the

special effects to me looked awesome.

Like it was not super high budget,
but there were certain things that

they did and like the creatures
and everything it's really solid.

You know?

I've appreciated that, and I don't think
it would have looked that much worse,

but at the same time, like, the vagueness
of some of these, details was, um...

Kuya P: The mixture of practical
effects and in-camera work sold it.

Emily: Yeah.

Kuya P: I get what you're saying.

Jeremy: Absolutely.

Cause they, they do that whole pull
out and zoom in bit on the little girl,

just like in Jaws, like, you know, where
they, they do that same thing on the

beach and it's just like watching it.

It's like, ah, man, that
effect never gets old.

Like, yeah, it looks great.

Kuya P: I'd say really at its
core, there's something there.

Like I would love to
maybe just see a redone.

Yeah.

Jeremy: It feels like an
early bloom house movie to me.

Like where they're like,
Hey, solid core concept.

Not the best execution, but...

Ben: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I wish Diana and Sandy had
met up earlier in the movie.

I don't know.

I kind of be cool.

I wish the sisterly relationship between
them got a little more time to develop.

Kuya P: I liked that.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

Jeremy: That was the most interesting
character stuff in the movie, I

think is the stuff between them.

And we don't get there until
it's almost the end of the movie.

Ben: Yeah.

Cause that's when the movie really
starts delving deeper into the

characters, by having them there to
contrast their different upbringings.

And it's where we honestly actually
started to get some real examination of

class and stuff in the movie and and
how that affected each of their lives.

Emily: For sure.

Jeremy: And then those two actresses
are, are easily like talent-wise

at the top of, you know, the
folks that are in this movie.

The, the acting isn't especially
bad, but you know, like you

said, a lot of the older actors.

Kuya P: Yeah.

Very soap-opera-y to that point earlier.

Yeah.

But I'm, I'm curious if w
what did you guys think?

What were you predicting?

And so we got to the final end in
the final reveal that, of what the

curse of what is, was exactly about.

Cause I was kind of like brainstorming
myself and just wasn't sure, like,

Hmm, where are they going to take it?

Did y'all have creative juices going?

Emily: Yeah.

There was a I had read something
about it, but I wasn't sure what

was for like what it was for sure.

Like, I remember something about
like, it's a wedding curse.

If you get married in the proximity
of something happening, you know?

And, I also this being of a horror film
and, you know, there would be some kind

of twist I was thinking maybe it was
not constrained to those rules, right?

Like this is the superstition,
but really it's about this or

something like that, you know,
something that I was considering.

But I didn't really know a lot
about it before going into it.

And I was trying to figure certain
things out because there were elements

there that would play in a Western
film a little bit more about morality.

Like, you know, th were they living
together before marriage, you know?

Does, is it because of the affair?

I mean indirectly, yes, but like, it's
not as directly as a, you know, another

film would have possibly made it.

Ben: Yeah, I definitely wasn't expecting
the explanation to be, you can't have

two members of your family marry in one
year because that's just too much good

fortune and that overloads the fortune
balance system and creates curse.

But uh, I think what I was searching
for the movie, I read somewhere or

some kind of description like, oh yeah.

It's if siblings marry in the
same year a curse happens.

So I think I went into it having
that, like having already read that.

So having that in my mind.

So as soon as it was like two different
couples with the curse I'm like, Aht!

Secret sisters.

That they're long lost siblings
that's what's going on.

Gotcha.

Jeremy: It was funny to me because
the way they set it up, like the

one husband dies at the same time
the second couple's getting married.

So I was like, oh, maybe it's
that like, he is her relative.

And because he died, that's
why they're getting this curse.

And it turned out to be, oh no, they,
they got him on the second technicality

on the, you know, oh, y'all are actually
related and got married in the same year.

That's why somebody's dying,
I was like, it's, it's a real

technicality based ghost.

This one.

Cause.

Ben: That's what I'm saying.

This demon lawyer's fucking
got this shit locked down.

There's so many fucking technicalities
and loopholes, this demon lawyer,

like she's fucking going around.

She's got a whole country and she's just
snatching up weddings left and right.

We see three weddings in this movie.

All three of them were fucking cursed.

We hear about three weddings.

Emily: A lot of bodies.

Ben: Cursed!

Cursed!

Cursed!

Jeremy: I was waiting for them to discover
the pile of the bodies at the end because

it's like, oh, they broke the curse.

Now all the bodies are going to show up!

Emily: Just like mwa-ha-ha.

Ben: This demon lawyer potpourri
girl is a fucking cleaning up.

Emily: And those poor, poor detectives.

Like how often does this happen?

Cause I mean, you think
about it like yeah.

Ghost flower girl is out
there making bodies disappear.

And I maybe they have like- maybe there
should be like the X-Files the Manila

X-Files where like they're like, okay,
So there's obviously a curse situation

because um, bodies keep disappearing.

Which curse is this?

Yeah.

I don't know how many
curses that are already.

Ben: X-Files episode cause you've
got the amazing scene of David

Duchovny doing an exposition dump
about Filipino wedding superstitions.

Emily: I w I mean, yes,
that would be cool.

And-

Ben: Be like, why do you know so
much about fucking Filipino weddings?

Like David Duchovny?

And then he'd like waggle his
eyebrows or something, and then

that's all the explanation we'd get.

I think.

I've seen like three
episodes of the X-Files.

Jeremy: Sounds accurate.

Ben: Okay, good.

Emily: I mean, waggling eyebrows
is a lot more emoting than David

Duchovny usually does as Fox Mulder.

Kuya P: What about that police work, tho?

Like, when they're just sitting there.

Oh, it's okay.

Like you see all this other stuff that
there's other problems, power goes off.

Like she's going to get killed
in the, in the police station.

Like you can't even hide
at the police station.

Jeremy: Yeah.

A horror movie police don't change
in value from country to country.

They're all just as bad,
no matter where you go.

Ben: Universal.

Jeremy: I want to talk about like, can
get into talking about the actual like

plot here, because the first, this
first scene, I just turned the movie on.

Like I hadn't thought about the, the
language thing and uh, this first scene

starts off with like this whole them-
so I guess Sandy and Dale are both

from the Philippines, but they've been
working overseas in Dubai and they're

coming home, you know, for this wedding.

Um, and we have this big like family
scene with Dale's family here.

And, um, Alicia was not really paying
attention to the movie at the beginning.

She was like working on something else.

And she was like, what
language is this in?

I was like, uh, I thought
it was in Tagalog.

But that sentence was in English.

And that sentence was in Spanish.

And that's like, wow.

I was not like, I've known plenty of
like Filipino people, but I've never

like, just sat around in the, you
know, Filipino household like this

and like the amount to which sentence
to sentence it would switch entirely

from, Tagalog to English to Spanish.

I was like, wow.

People, I know don't even like,
haven't mastered one language.

I can't imagine how this works.

Kuya P: Yeah.

Yeah.

I grew up seeing that
and experiencing that.

It's just a, that's part of the
culture, because there's so many

different dialects in the Philippines.

I can't even count how
many different dialects.

So for me as a kid growing up, learning
English, cause that was, my father is

white in my mom was Filipina, that they
were seeing me get confused because

my mind, I was initially being taught
Tagalog, but because that confusion

was happening and then we'd go to
these Filipino friends of my mom

and that all be occurring and she's
like, oh, Seeing me get confused.

They put a stop on that and
it was just straight English.

But then I was confused going to
these type of events because then

I could understand some things, but
then when they see or glance over, so

this is kind of like trauma for me.

Like I would remember that they
would just stop and go to straight

to Tagalog because they didn't want
me to hear grown folks talking.

So it was like, ah, okay.

But, uh, no, it it's very much a thing
over there and I was here as well.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I didn't just noticing it.

Especially with Sandy, Kris Aquino's
character, because there's a couple

of parts where like her entire dialect
changes where she'll be speaking

Tagalog and there's one point where
like, Dale is, or somebody is leaving

and she's closing the door and
she's like speaking Tagalog and then

she just says okay, drive careful.

I love you.

Bye.

And I was like-

Kuya P: Oh, the way she said it changes?

Jeremy: Yeah, the whole, the
whole way she is talking changes.

And I was like, oh, all right.

Yeah.

So that's, that's completely
unfamiliar to me, but so it took a

second to like that opening scene
where the whole family is talking.

It's hard to keep up with everybody
too, because it's like, all right.

I understood that.

Okay now they're, they're all going.

Ben: It's this very rapid shift
between I need the subtitles.

Oh, I don't need the subtitles for this.

No, I need the subtitles now again.

Emily: I'm really glad that I
just use subtitles all the time.

And I'm also glad that the movie
wasn't dubbed, like I was concerned

it was going to be dubbed and I
was going to take me out of it.

But yeah, I mean, I've been to two places
where there's a lot, there's like a very

fluid use of language, like in South
Africa you know, you have English and

Afrikaans and Xhosa and Ndebele and Zulu.

And like all these people will go
through these various languages.

And at a family gathering,
you have conversations in a

combination of a lot of them.

But it was a it's interesting.

I would say, if, as a
listener, activate subtitles.

Yeah.

Kuya P: It's funny.

I mentioned that cause I was thinking,
oh, when I heard them speak English,

I can turn off the subtitles and Nope.

Nope.

I don't understand.

Tagalog so like I got to.

Jeremy: Yeah, because a lot of
the greeting, the his and byes

and stuff is all in English.

So at the beginning there you're
like, oh no, it's an English.

I've got this.

And then there'll be one sentence that
you're like, I don't, what did they say?

Hold on.

I gotta go back.

Nope.

That's not English like that.

Spanish.

Yeah.

The

Emily: Wikipedia listed the languages
of the movie to be Filipino and English.

And I was like huh.

Cause I wasn't sure.

Cause I know about Tagalog and I
didn't know about Filipino, the

language, which is a language that
is, uh, an official language of the

Philippines that is Tagalog based.

And that is what I
learned from the internet.

So there's this is everything I know now.

Kuya P: And then under the Tagalog
umbrella, Filip- is a hundred

and however many sub dialects.

Emily: Yeah.

I did see like eight, like a
list of languages is like eight

different languages at least.

And I, you know, I'm like, okay,
well I have to write up my thing.

So I can't go into a book report
about the languages of the Philippines

as much as that would be cool.

Like I would like to know, but that's
for, the time when we're not talking

about this particular horror movie.

Jeremy: So we have, we have this
opening sort of a dinner scene where

they're at Dale's house and then
Sandy comes home to her house, uh,

where it's just her mom and dad.

We meet Tessie, Sandy's mom,
played by Boots Anson-Roa.

Ben: Who's a fucking champ.

Jeremy: Yeah.

She's champ.

Ben: Women's done taking shit
from their dirt bag, man.

Jeremy: We find out, cause she's
hearing like weird sounds and

everything from the house next door.

And she like looks through
and the caretakers out there

putting the place back together.

Clearly the insight has been
on fire sometime recently

cause it's like burnt out.

It's revealed that their next door
neighbor who she grew up with, uh,

Helen announced her engagement right
after like three months after the

death of her father, even though she
was asked to postpone it because of

this old superstition that you can't
have it within a year of, of immediate

family members, death- which I was
glad to learn it was immediate family

member because otherwise like you
might be putting that off for forever.

And it's like, oh, your,
your great aunt died.

Ah, dammit.

And there's another year.

All right.

So, Helen's whole family has died
because of this curse people that

went to her wedding are still
dying because of this curse.

Nobody's, body's been found, apparently
her husband's entire plane crashed.

So like it's really been,
it's really been bad.

And meanwhile, in this small
village, Bibiclat, Diana and Brian

are getting ready to get married.

And their marriage is interrupted by, as
we talked about the bellringer won't stop

ringing the bell during their wedding.

And they send a, an older boy
up to check on what's going on.

And he finds a-

Ben: Spoilers!

Jeremy: The bell ringer is dead
already he's- he didn't even make

it through the whole ceremony.

Yeah,

Ben: I think honestly, the bells
had anything to do with you guys.

It's like, do you think that this curse on
this, a wedding killed the bell ringer or

was the bell ringer killed by a completely
unrelated curse that he had going on?

Cause curses really just seemed to be
flying left and right in this movie.

Emily: Well, the haunted
potpourri was there.

Ben: Oh shit!

We had haunted potpourri!

Emily: Yeah, the haunted
potpourri was there.

That was always there.

No matter what.

And at first I was like,
okay, well it's windy.

And it's hard to tell that it's
potpourri until you see like

the girl, like craning it up.

Ben: Definitely set a record for
biggest potpourri budget in a film.

Emily: I mean, I guess like, it's also
hard to see all of it because the pixels,

but at least in the Amazon version.

Jeremy: So this is where we, we meet
our, I guess, a villain of the ghost

that it's associated with this curse
is a blackface little flower girl.

So she's like veiled and then her face
is, you know, looks dead underneath, um.

Emily: Yeah, not actual black face.

Ben: And is not Helen.

I think.

Helen is a different ghost.

Jeremy: So, uh, Kuya, what did
you think of this, this a ghost?

Kuya P: You actually got me thinking,
was that two different ghosts?

Like the one that is haunting us late-
earlier on, or was that, uh, it looked

like two different characters now
that you have me thinking about it.

It was like a little girl that,
pops her head down when the bell,

the alter boy comes up, right?

And was, yeah.

I'm like thinking back there
were two different characters.

Ben: Yeah.

Cause there's the little
girl who's killing people.

And then I think there's Helen
who possesses Joya at one point

to be like, Hey, it ain't me.

I've been trying to tell you,
watch out for this other ghost.

Jeremy: I am an unrelated ghost.

Kuya P: Yeah.

So then to Ben's point earlier than,
you know, what's kicking this off it's a

whole nother curse, I guess, the effected,
which is, which took out the alter boy.

Right?

Cause that's a different, scary character.

Ben: On the list of causes
of death where is curses?

Is it like heart disease,
gun violence, curses.

Emily: Well that's the thing, is
curses can cause those things.

So like the curse is like a blanket term.

Now some make your body
turned into a veil.

Ben: Well, I, I hear they get
paid per curse death, so they just

inflate the numbers and they cause
unrelated deaths to be curse labeled.

Emily: Yeah, it's like lightning.

Ben: Bill gates is trying to
curse us mic- with micro chips.

Emily: Yeah.

And you know, 5g baby.

Ben: Oh, that got real,
real fucking stupid.

I apologize.

No, not even you, just me going on this.

Yup.

I'm going to turn curses
into an anti-vax joke.

Emily: I mean, there's something there.

I think

Ben: There might be.

I can workshop it.

Pulling it out of my ass,
live on the podcast- this

was a mixed results, I think.

Emily: We'll put that
on the spaghetti wall.

Ben: Cut nothing, Alicia!

Emily: Alicia made me promise
to give her a good content.

Here we are.

Jeremy: What do we, how do we
feel about this this flower girl?

I thought she was pretty creepy.

Emily: I loved her.

Kuya P: Oh yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

Kuya P: Definitely.

Ben: I don't feel like-

Kuya P: Like, the makeup
and everything, yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: I don't feel like I got
enough, like good looks at her.

Like it was almost like too shadowy.

Like I liked the design,
but I don't feel like.

The D the cinematography or the
directing gave the design enough, like

room to shine or enough things to do.

I don't know.

I liked the design.

I just, I don't know, the way
like the Xenomorph is even still

in shadows, when it comes out.

Like you can still like, see
it clearly and what's going on.

Like, I don't know.

I kept, like, I, I thought I kept
having to rewind and again, and

maybe that's because it's the
restoration and what comes with that.

But I, I felt like to a degree, it was
like, oh, like this is too dark for

me, the viewer in a lot of instances.

Emily: I feel there was a certain
emphasis on what cannot be seen.

But then for that, the real, a lot of
like direct shots of this girl, like

climbing over windows and being in cars.

Ben: Yeah.

I liked the design.

I'm not sure I'm not sure if it's
directing or cinematography, but

I feel like the design could have
been utilized or taken a little

more advantage of filming wise.

I know that's a very vague note, but

Emily: Totally get it.

Jeremy: Part of it is they do some of
the best I don't want to say gags with

her, but like, that's sort of what they
are, is upfront here when like, after,

so immediately after this happens Sandy
and Dale go ahead with their uh, wedding.

And so the, they are the other
couples already seeing this

like ghost girl out there.

Sandy and Dale get married and
immediately Brian, the initial

groom gets offed in an entirely
different part of the Philippines.

Like while this wedding is
going on, there's this ghost

is not wasting any time.

Ben: Not very ghost related.

He just falls off our roof.

Emily: That's what I'm saying!

Jeremy: He drops some tools, trips
on them and falls off a roof.

But the ghost is also controlling
the wind, I think is what,

what ends up happening.

Ben: Uh, very windy ghost.

In terms of the ghost doing gags.

I love the ghost fucking with this driver
just appear at all different places.

This was delightful.

I love this.

Jeremy: Yeah, because this is, this is
the next scene is as they're leaving

the wedding, there's these two like,
it says there that the sponsors of the

wedding, there's these two, you know, 20
something women and like uh, this driver

who only appears for this scene, he just
disappears from the movie after this.

They literally disappear from the movie.

He like looks in the backseat and
he's like, you guys have some,

got a girl back there with you.

Like, I didn't see a girl get in the car.

And they're like, there's
no girl back here.

And he's like, what?

What's going on?

She's not there.

And then he looks in the car in front
of her and she's like in the next car,

looking back at him, he's like, shit!

She's up there!

In that car, guys.

And they're looking at me and they're
like, what are you talking about?

There's no girl there.

And then she just like
dives on the windshield.

It makes them crash the car.

Yeah.

Which like that's one of the best bits
is like her jumping on the windshield

and it just fucking with his driver.

Cause most of them she'll just sort of
mysteriously walk up to somebody and

replace them with a candle but this, this
one is actually like a, she's got a real

Poltergeist energy in this first one.

Ben: Yeah.

There's a few deaths that are pretty good.

There's the car crash?

There's the cinderblocks
falling on the mom.

And then there's, I feel like Dale's
is the most disappointing because

everything leading up to you're
replaced by a candle was the creepiest

and best directed death scene in it.

Like the wind, the window comes in
and she's crawling through the window.

Like that's, that's my favorite
moment of the ghost girl.

Like, I thought that was the
coolest, even if it, yes, it is.

I'm like, okay, we get it.

You saw the ring.

But even though I did think that was
creatively executed and well done.

And was the most we got of, like, I
felt like I was getting a good view

of her being visible and creepy in a
way that wasn't too overly exposed.

And I dunno, that was where
the horror was really clicking.

And it, it almost made me go like, ah,
what it's just like, and now you a candle.

Emily: Well, she did put
a candle in his face.

Ben: Yeah.

She was like, he was like, Ooh.

I'm like, set him on fire.

Set this man on fire.

Look, I know he's been an okay guy.

I know there's no reason to set him on
fire, but it's a horror movie and we

should probably set someone on fire for
you're going to be doing some candle shit.

Yeah.

Emily: I mean, he did get out
of the shower like right then.

So but maybe know magic curses
can make water into fire.

Ben: If this curse can be defeated by a
shower, that'd be pretty great though.

Like the wedding curse can't take
ya, and can't get you if you're

wet, just keep taking showers.

Emily: It's the "wetting" curse.

Jeremy: One of my other favorite bits
with the ghost girl is right here when

like, so Diana is at the morgue with
Brian's dead body and Brian's whole

family is about to show up and like,
she sees the light, like, this is the

one part where the ghost seems very
human because she sees her like crawl in

behind the the stone that he's laying on
buying the big stone table that he's on.

And like, she's like, what
is what's moving back there.

And then she can't see the ghost,
but then like the ghost just pops her

hands up on the table and grabs her.

And I was like, huh, whoa!

Got me!

Got me on that one!

Emily: And then the family
shows up and there's-

Jeremy: Brian's family sucks!

Yeah.

Ben: Oh, I fucking hate Brian's family.

Brian's mom.

Uh, Brian's mom.

Emily: The interesting thing here
is that there's like both, both the

Brian's family seem to be like a
little at an, an economical advantage.

And so does Dale's family, which is
interesting because S the scene at the

beginning where Sandy's talking to Dale
or, yeah, Sandy's talking to Dale's mom

and she's like, I can't thank you enough.

So that you're doing, and Dale's
mom is like eh, forget it.

Ben: Now, again, knowing what we later
learn about Sandy and her parents.

Is that because they're poor?

Or is it because her dad
is a cheap piece of shit?

Emily: Probably the latter.

I mean, yes.

Ben: It might be a little column A,
little column B, but I'm like, I feel

like this dad was PR I feel like this
dad's probably not paying his fair share.

Emily: Yeah.

And

Jeremy: definitely accuses the Dad
of being at the horse races more than

once, like being at the horse races
when he was supposed to be there for

their, like, for their party beforehand.

Ben: This is dad like Sandy's dad sucks.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: The real villain of this
movie isn't the ghost girl.

Except yes it is.

It Sandy's dad.

Emily: Yeah, the ghost
girl is just doing her job.

Kuya P: Yeah.

My, my wife started watching it
with me, like towards the middle

and like the whole time, like,
can, when is he going to bite it?

Emily: Now we have
introduced at this point.

We've now seen Joya who is,
who can see dead people.

Jeremy: Who our girls Sandy has
been seeing this flower girl.

Joya is like, you can see the
weird flower girl too, right?

Like you, you can see it, this there's
something horrible going on here.

And then like, they go help this driver
out of the van that he's crashed and the

two other bodies are gone, but there's
a wedding veil left in their place.

Which is a very thematic ghost.

Is every time that she, uh,
pulls out a person that I guess

she's killed she leaves behind
a piece of the wedding ceremony.

So there's like, there's the, um, veil
and then the chords and then the candle.

And then finally, I guess
the coins is the last thing.

Ben: It's a good thing she
doesn't curse Jewish weddings.

Cause otherwise you just leave
behind a napkin full of broken glass.

Emily: I mean, that's
pretty dangerous, right?

Just make-

Ben: Aha!

Jewish wedding jokes.

Emily: I actually get that.

Ben: Question.

Emily: Yes.

Ben: Does Joya die?

Because she gets possessed by Helen.

And then I don't recall if we see her.

Yeah.

Jeremy: They dropped Joya
and her mom off at home.

Like after Joya gets possessed, her mom
who has not been down with this the whole

time, it's like, okay, we're done now.

Emily: We're absolutely
not down ever again.

Jeremy: Going back to the UAE and
we're not doing any more of this shit.

Emily: Because Joya is yeah.

As, uh, Sandy leaves for, um, the Bibiclat
Joya's, like you meet that woman, you

told let her out of your sight, you're
going to find your sister and you're

going to keep an eye on her goodbye.

Jeremy: They, they decided to
seek her out, even though the

mom has explicitly been like,
listen, leave my daughter alone.

So they, they track her
down at the bus station.

Is there like getting ready to
leave on this bus and talk Joya

into helping her and Joya is finally
like, mom, I, I have to help them.

And yeah, so she, she
decides to go with them.

They're still trying to figure out,
they think they've been cursed by

Helen, the friend who lived next door,
who also died from the same thing.

And they go to Helen's house and they
have like several of them are keeping

the caretaker busy, pretending that
they maybe want to buy the place.

While uh, they play Ghostbusters
upstairs and Joya, straight out

gets possessed by Helen's ghost.

Uh, and Helen's ghost is
like, no, I didn't do that.

You got the same shit going on.

I did, I'm not having anything to
do with this, but you got to figure

this out or you go'n be dead like me.

And it's revealed that this thing is
that, uh, either, uh, a person in your

family dies within the same year or two
siblings have a wedding in the same year

that you get cursed with this thing.

Which seems like a widespread
of potential problems.

Yeah, and yeah, this, this doesn't
work because as far as we know, Sandy

only has one brother and he's in
America and he's not getting married.

He does not appear in this film.

They mentioned him.

They mentioned that he is away in America
and that has never touched back on again.

But yeah, she's like, I don't
have any siblings what's going on.

And her mom's like, alas,
your father has lied to me.

He has another daughter.

And so now it's a, , a time
ticking time clock, where everybody

from the wedding is dying.

Although their faces are showing
up in the photos without heads and

she has to go find her sister and
figure out how to fix this curse

before they themselves are killed.

Emily: Yeah, th this demon
lawyer with their ghost girl

proxy do have specific rules.

There are portents in
the curse wedding photos.

Everybody has cursed wedding photos
and all the people who are going to die

have no head, their head is disappeared.

So just in the photo, non real life, the
real life in the whole body, the future.

Yeah.

I was going to say like, why don't they
just go back in time and then make sure

that the dad doesn't like mess around.

Yeah.

Where's their DeLorean,

Kuya P: Oh yeah, right?

Yeah.

Emily: For real like.

Kuya P: Oh man.

Jeremy: You can't feed the
flower girl after midnight.

Yeah, you can't get her wet.

Emily: Tell people.

Just say something.

Jeremy: Also, the dad's name is Fred.

Ben: By the way, if you get a whole
bunch of mini cupcakes instead of a cake?

Straight to curse.

Insta-curse.

Emily: That's I mean, that's our curse.

I want to get to international curse.

Ben: If you wear white to the
wedding and you're not the bride?

Curse.

Emily: Yeah.

Kuya P: Um, man.

Emily: We gave out tiramisu is that?

Ben: Cursed!

Cursed!

Straight to cursed!

Jeremy: Yeah, we had cupcakes.

We're cursed.

Emily: You had cupcakes?!

Ben: Oh my God.

Fucking.

How are you still- how have you not been
disappeared and replaced with a candle?!

Jeremy: I dunno, man.

Emily: Go back in time.

Jeremy: Went back in time and at the
cupcakes before they got to the wedding.

Emily: Yeah There you go.

Jeremy: Uh, how do you
know I'm not cursed?

Not all curses have to be death.

Ben: Sometimes, sometimes
life is the curse.

Is the friends we made along the way.

Jeremy: Yeah, at some point in
here, I think we missed the, we

might've missed the part where one
of the women gets hit by a bus.

Diana is seeing her-

Emily: Diana sees her,
her husband's ghost.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Sees her.

Husband's got us walking around in
the field pissing off the chickens,

apparently the chickens, not like ghosts.

And so like follows him off through the
woods and then across the street into some

more woods and her cousin follows her.

And then I think it's her aunt that
is along behind her and, uh, they

find something written on a tree.

And while she and her cousin are
looking at this, the aunt comes

copping along behind them into the
street and gets nailed by a truck.

This is one of the best orchestrated
death scenes in the movie.

Cause she's just-

Ben: It's fantastic.

Jeremy: She's just walking across
that street in the background

and then they jump out to go
see if they've hit somebody.

And there's like blood splattered
all from all over the front

of the truck, but no body.

And so they're like, well, I
guess we didn't hit anybody.

We must be wrong.

Ben: Man.

Take these quotes out of context and I
sound like a fucking monster, but this

old lady getting fucking destroyed by this
bus was a fantastic, wonderful moment.

Emily: It was effective.

Yeah.

It was an effective moment in the film
because it's in the background and

you're, you're already like you Telegraph,
like, okay, this is a site of danger.

And it is abrupt.

Like she is on the truck.

She turned into a rope.

Ben: It's the movie using just the
medium of film effectively, like

it's clever staging and directing.

And like the timing all works in a movie
that's way too prone to being like, okay,

not sure we needed all 25 of these, these
seconds of a car going down a dirt road.

But you do you, movie.

Emily: I mean, we- the cow
guy, I love the cow guy.

Ben: Oh no.

I love the cow guy.

It's the very long slow drive
to the cow guy in real time.

I'm like, We could've cut
10, 12 seconds off this.

Jeremy: Well, we'll talk about the sooner
they get to the cow guy in a minute.

Yeah, so they're both dealing
with this stuff, respectively.

We learn that Fred, the dad, had another
child who is Diana with her mom, Claudia,

who we will then find out committed
suicide because she'd been left by, by

Fred with no, uh, no support whatsoever.

No means to contact him or anything.

And yeah, Diana had grown up on her own.

Ben: Which the victim hood from
Frank in this fucking scene.

Like I abandoned my secret family for you.

So really this is kind of your fault.

Emily: Oh my God.

Um,

Ben: I fucking hate Frank is the big
Frank wins douchebag of the year.

Emily: Well, I have a note here.

This is when is what I was still
trying to figure out what the

curse like parameters were still.

And it was, if the affairs
with curse them, it's a wonder

anyone is left anywhere.

Jeremy: Yeah.

But, so this is the scene where
we get Tessie finally having

had enough of Fred's shit.

She packs her bag and leaves his
walks out in the middle of the night.

Everybody else was like, mom, come back.

Where are you going?

She's like, I guess I'm going
to go live with your uncle.

Emily: Before that, we did
have a scene with Diana talking

to a magical guy, Dante.

Jeremy: Yeah, Dante, the hermit
who is there to explain the

whole idea of the curse to her.

Ben: He gives us our backstory,
our exposition and our macguffins.

He's a very handy character.

Emily: Yeah.

And he comes up.

He's like, I have a solution
that I came up with.

Not making any bones about
like, yeah, I made this up.

Jeremy: He's like the curse.

Uh, you guys got to destroy all
these vestments from the weddings.

So you got to burn all this stuff.

That's, you know, replacing people.

And also something has to be given to
the person who's, you know, been T heads

have taken from them in this relationship
and somebody has to make a sacrifice.

And everybody is just kind of okay
with that because it's incredibly

unclear what they're supposed to do
about this, but everybody's like,

all right, I guess we'll go do that.

Then.

Ben: I like how this
guy is equally prepared.

If it's the case of a family member
died within the year of the wedding.

And he's like, I need a photograph
of the person in the coffin.

I'm like, man, it's a good thing
funeral selfies are in Vogue.

Emily: I mean, it was 2006, but
you know, some things never change.

Ben: They have flip phones,
they can, they can do that.

Emily: That's very true.

Yeah.

Jeremy: They have no phones in this movie.

Nobody can call anybody in this movie
because this movie could be very

easily resolved by a few phone calls.

Emily: Well, there's the problem.

Isn't there.

I think Dale and Sandy have a
phone, but they're out of service.

Like there's a couple of times where
they're like, oh yeah, we have no service.

We don't know where we are.

We need to ask somebody.

But, um, one of the things that Dante
says is that, you know, that the curse

is over when the body doesn't disappear.

Jeremy: Yup.

Emily: And and so now we're back
to Sandy's mom peace-ing out.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Sandy's mom peaces out.

And, uh, we, we see, you know,
all the telltale signs, there's

windy, windy, dead flowers, and
all that blowing around after her.

And, uh, they get in an argument
and she is, you know, peace out and

almost gets hit by a drunk driver
who swerves at the last minute.

And she decides to yell at this
drunk driver about almost hitting

her during which time, the piece of
construction that he did hit falls.

And it looks like this stuff really
hits this actress in this scene.

I don't know if it was foam or
what, but it looked like she really

got hit by some construction.

Emily: Yeah.

And some scaffolding falls
on her and there's some like

serious bricks that come down.

I was probably was probably foam.

Ben: Did they have foam cinderblocks?

Or were they just like we got cinderblocks
lets just hope that they don't fall on ya.

Hope they fall around ya.

Emily: There was a, uh, a
good, like the usage of force

perspective in that shot too.

Ben: I liked that though.

It was a very good effect though,
that scaffolding falling down on her.

Jeremy: It was at least 75%
of the final destination.

Like.

Ben: Yeah!

Emily: Semi-final Destination?

Jeremy: Semi final destination.

There you go.

Yeah, so she of course
disappears under that.

And Fred and Dale, trying to find the
body and all they find is Sandy's cord.

And Sandy and Dale are like, man,
we gotta go fix this, come on Fred.

And Fred's like, I gotta stay home
in case your mom comes back guys.

And they're like, you saw
cinderblocks fall on her face

and you saw her body disappear.

Like, what aren't you
understanding about this?

We've just been over this whole deal.

Emily: I mean, to be fair,
her body fucking disappeared.

Like there's a pretty big like denial,
well there that he can focus on.

Jeremy: She ain't- she ain't
just going to come home.

Emily: Yeah, well, yeah.

I mean, I almost thought that the D the
people would just like, come back to life.

They don't, they're not unturned
into wedding shit or whatever.

Like.

Ben: There's, there's no
Beauty and the Beast ending.

You know the curse is over when
people just stop disappearing.

So the only nut way to know for
sure that the curse has stopped

is somebody has to die first.

And then just not disappear.

Cause if nobody dies, then you don't know.

Only when corpses start
appearing, are you in the clear.

Emily: That's.

Yeah, that's a pretty, uh,
self-explanatory bit a process there.

Oofa Doofa.

Jeremy: And so Sandy and Dale are still
trying to track down where Diana is.

They're driving out
through the countryside.

They meet a nice man with
a cow that's like, oh yeah.

That's like four villages down.

You've got to keep going.

And he gives directions great.

Which is Dale's like, how far is it?

He's like, well, with your car?

It's probably about two hours.

For a caballero like me
it's probably five days.

Like, all right.

Ben: I want to believe that is just
an actual man hit his actual buffalo.

And he fucking improv that line,
like two hours, like two hour drive.

And then he's like, but
fucking, let me give you some

that, let me add some context!

Like I know the real skinny what's
up with- You know what I mean?

Kuya P: That's Amazing.

Ben: And they're like fuck yeah!

We gotta keep this buffalo line in there.

Jeremy: Stay in your fucking
car, that's all I can say.

It's going to take a long
time to get there otherwise.

Emily: Yeah, it was like, are you
guys going to offer him a ride or you

just like, I kinda thought it would be
great if they did a whole like Harry

and the Hendersons and might just
put the cow on the top of the car.

If this is a Pixar movie, that's sort
of that's what would have happened.

But I don't think Pixar is
going to remake this one, guys.

Ben: It's- Does Pixar do remakes?!

Emily: No...

Jeremy: Remakes of horror movies?

Ben: Is that one of them- is that
one of there little side projects?!

Emily: I was trying to obliquely
land my Top Gun plane into

commentary about how Disney-

Ben: Man, Pixar Babadook's
gonna be fucking wild.

Emily: Like the Disney, at least maybe
not Pixar, but it is the Disney animations

half-assed attempts to represent-

Jeremy: You know Disney won't let
Pixar's Babadook be bisexual, though.

Emily: Oh yeah.

Fucking Disney

Ben: Oy.

It Chapter Two coming from Dreamworks.

Emily: Yeah.

You just ran your van
into my Top Gun plane.

Jeremy: I believe it's called Baba.

Deux.

Ben: Oh, that's such a
good name for a sequel.

Emily: In France is....

that CGI

Jeremy: Now somebody has to make it.

Does that name exist?

Ben: That's such a good, that's
a perfect name for a sequel.

Holy fucking shit.

Emily: Not Babadeuce...

Ben: A-maze-ing.

Babadeuce!

That sounds like....

yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

I can see the process in your face there.

Ben: I got, hold on guys,
can we take a break?

I got, I gotta take a baba deuce.

Emily: As long as the
babadong isn't involved.

Jeremy: Arrrgh.

Ben: Does this stay in the podcast?

I dunno.

I don't make those decisions.

Emily: I mean, the babadong conversation
was in the original Babadook episode.

So

Kuya P: Babadongs...

Jeremy: It was a lot for me to edit, Okay?

I'm pretty sure there's a point in
that podcast where I just gave up.

Emily: No, that was the podcast
we recorded on election night.

And so everybody was like-

Ben: I still don't know, quite know
what we were thinking with that one.

Emily: Listen.

Jeremy: No, it was the day after
election night and we were sure

that things were going to be
resolved by then, but they were not.

Emily: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Ben: Oh yeah.

That's what happened.

Kuya P: That would have been painful.

I can only imagine what
y'all are going through.

Emily: Well, I don't know if the Baba
dong is painful, but it looks painful.

Jeremy: Okay.

So I don't know if there are no motels
in the Philippines, but they stop at a

very nice resort to just stay for the
night before they can go find her sister.

Kuya P: Yeah.

Jeremy: Like, I dunno if this resort paid
to be in this movie or what, but like,

they just have a really nice like vacation
resort for the night and Diana or Sandy

straight up leaves her key in the room
to go do something, leaving Dale behind.

Dale gets to be the, uh, the hot
chick in the shower in this movie.

And I was a little uncomfortable
with the flower girl, uh,

watching him in the shower.

I was like, this is appears to be
a child of some cert ghostly child.

Sure.

But this is watching him in the shower.

He goes wandering around in his towel
for awhile and through the potpourri and.

Emily: Yeah, it looks, this is the
one time that they couldn't have

wind blowing the potpourri in.

So he just looks down and his bath
water is just full of potpourri.

Ben: Which I do appreciate that he's like,
this is a weird, and I'm freaked out,

but not so freaked out that I'm going to
stop washing the shampoo out of my hair.

Emily: I mean, you don't want
to like run around from a ghost

with shampoo with your hair.

Ben: Like, I don't like these leaves in
my shower, but I'm still gonna finish up.

Yeah.

Take my time toweling off.

Jeremy: There is also a part of the
scene where he opens the window and

sees the hot tub outside and shares a
longing moment with tub because we're

not actually here for their honeymoon.

They're here on business.

But that doesn't mean he can't
look respectfully at the hot tub.

She finally gets in after getting
the manager to open the room

and, uh, just finds that her
husband has become a candle.

Which is much more, much more, uh.

Ben: Don't you just hate when
you go on your honeymoon, and

your spouse becomes a candle?

Jeremy: It's much, honestly, it's better
than what happens to Diana and Grace,

which, uh, Diana and her cousin Grace
are walking out and past a busy bar.

And they walked past some bushes
and then the ghost just straight

up yanks Grace into the bushes.

And Diana tries to pull her back out at
which point is Grace's dead mom shows

up to smack her off and, uh, then she
just goes into the bushes and is gone.

And all the people at the bar was
like, whoa, what happened to you?

You had another person with
you, now you're next to the next

was in the woods and crying.

And that's weird.

And apparently they take her to
the police station, the spa people

take Sandy to the police station.

And we're given a scene where like, it's
not entirely clear if they're in the same

police station or they're just in similar
police stations at different points.

But then the flower girl shows up
for both of them and they both run

outside and Sandy proceeds to hit
her unknown half sister with a car.

Emily: What a great way to meet.

Jeremy: Her unknown, pregnant,
half sister with a car.

Emily: I thought that was a really good
touch, like the fact that they didn't

just like, see each other in passing,
like straight up, almost ran her over.

Ben: I wondered how much this movie
would push the dramatic irony of these

two being on the way to see each other.

And just like, I'm like, man, are
they going to pass each other?

Like, are we going to get a lot of
just like, how many, how many mishaps

are we going to get until they
realized they're the sister they're

each looking for, but then fucking
Diana fucking figures it out first.

And it's like, I don't trust Sandy.

Yeah.

I don't trust what's going on.

I'mma hide this shit.

Emily: Good on Diana, honestly.

Jeremy: Like, I mean, she's used to
being poor and wiley, she's like, I

don't know what's up with this lady.

Obviously my, obviously our mutual
dad was a scumbag, so it was probably

all a scumbag family, honestly.

Emily: Yeah.

I mean, that's Sandy is of the
family that Fred left Diana's family

for, I got that grammatically.

Okay.

Done it.

I do want to mention before we get too
much further with the Dale death scene

and the, uh, the, like the ring-esque
introduction of the flower girl into that

scene and he looks into the window and the
window is actually the window to Helen's

house, which is a really cool effect.

Jeremy: And it does, uh, it does is
weird zoom pan tilt, where like, it

seems like the house is getting closer
and the, you know, the flower girl

crawls from the window of Helen's
house into the window of the resort.

And yeah, that's, that's the coolest,
the flower girl is even though this is

like a non-death death scene where, you
know, she just waves the candle at him and

then we see the candle and nobody else.

Ben: Up until that, aside from this movie,
giving me no satisfaction of gory demises,

aside from again, a pretty sweet bus hit.

That whole scene where Dale gets taken
out is really creepy and atmospheric.

And I think probably one of the
best directed moments of the film.

Emily: Yeah.

And the, the part where the shadow
where Grace and Diana are walking

along and they see the just
disembodied shadow of the ghost girl.

And then it turns into the potpourri.

That was a cool effect.

That was dope.

Yeah.

Jeremy: That's really cool because
you really get the impression of like

the shadow on the ground next to them.

And then yeah.

It just disappears into potpourri
and then that's where Grace

gets snatched into the woods.

Emily: Diana's in Sandy's car and
Sandy's like, do you know a Diana?

And Diana is like, maybe.

Who's asking

Jeremy: Yeah, and, uh, she's trying
to play like she's not Diana until

the ghost shows up in the car and
both of them freak out and she's

like, wait, you saw the ghost too!

You're Diana aren't you?

Diana is like, shit, you got me.

I am your long lost sister.

They, they wander into this
festival that they've been sort

of referring to throughout the
whole thing in which we meet these.

Uh, I think they call them
the, the followers of St.

John who are- does anybody
know more about this than I do?

Ben: Cause I think, I don't know anything
about any of the saints, but I assume he

was the Saint of like foliage landscaping.

He does the Saint of landscaping.

Jeremy: There's more than one St.

John there's a few of them.

Ben: Is he the saint
of college basketball?

Kuya P: St.

John the Baptist.

The religious festival is
celebrated by the locals and

devotees to pay homage to St.

John the Baptist by wearing
costumes patterned from his attire.

Devotees soak themselves in mud and
cover their body with dry banana leaves

and visit houses or ask people for alms
in the forms of candles or money to buy

candles, which is then offered to St.

John the Baptist.

It's a real festival
every 24th day of June.

Uh, it's held.

Ben: That's really cool.

I do appreciate this movie for just giving
me some, a window into and teaching me

a ignorant, dumb ass American a little
bit about their culture and world.

Emily: Yeah, for sure.

Kuya P: I thought this was
just some festival, but it

actually was a real festival.

Cause we, they do, I know that
they do that a lot, but I'm kind of

surprised now because I opened up
the Wiki while we were doing this.

I'm like, okay, like that's interesting.

The more, you know.

Emily: Yeah, yeah.

Thanks for looking that up.

Cause like, I didn't know, it
was a specific Philippines thing.

That's really cool.

Like, it's interesting also to see the,
this interpretation to see the like,

cause you have Catholic symbols and you
have a lot of the saints and everything,

but the interpretation is different.

And that's interesting to me.

They ended up Diana and Sandy ended up
going to Dante, which is the hermit.

And he gives him the solution
that he came up with and he's also

dressed up and very like, but thanks
very much shadowed in the scene.

And he asks for the items and they
started burning the items, which I

guess they've decided that the items
aren't going to turn back into anybody

because they burnt the shit out of them.

Jeremy: And the last thing they have
are the coins, which they, they throw

one set of coins on the fire and then
his girl straight up, walks through

Dante's chest seemingly killing him.

It's hard to tell exactly what
happens here, but they they grabbed

the coins of the fire and fuck off.

Ben: I'm going to assume
he had a pacemaker and she

just Kitty Pryde that shit.

Emily: Yeah.

Or just like, stole some of his life
force, like he was dying when they

left, but she was like, cornering him.

Ben: You got the- he had a fatal
case of the heebie-jeebies.

Emily: I mean, if a ghost girl
walked through me like that.

Ben: Also, I'm not exactly sure what these
coins are made of because they're, they

seem very easily smashed a silver later.

Emily: I mean, it's a silver coins.

So I mean, it's

Ben: Is silver very smashable?

I don't know.

I've never smashed silver.

Emily: It depends on what it's made
out of, but I mean, the box that

they were in was being smashed later.

The Dante does give a cool little
overview of the significance of these

items, which I think is really cool.

Which I don't know if that is
also like, if that's specific to

Filipino capital, I mean it does.

I know that like that.

Yeah.

Some of that is like the 13
coins and all that kind of stuff.

Like I know that there's some of that I,
but I don't think it's like pan Catholic.

Kuya P: Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not entirely sure.

Ben: Yeah.

I mean, this isn't just- this
is not just Christianity.

This is a foreign country's version
of like take on Christianity.

So I'm so far out of my depth.

Like I'm, my Judaism has made
me so unprepared to know any or

understand any aspects of it.

Emily: It's overrated.

Ben: I don't know what the
deal is with the saints.

I guess there's coins and cords?

Is that a thing in usual, Christian
right at Catholic weddings?

Or is that something specific
to Filipino wedding traditions?

I don't know.

I'm just dumb.

Emily: The cord is not, I don't
think it's specifically Filipino,

but I think that it's not like,
not everybody does the cord thing.

I don't know if the veil has that
particular, like the, is supposed to

be the symbol of the responsibility
of the groom to protect the bride.

I don't know if that's always
the purpose of the veil, cause I

think a lot of it has to do with-

Ben: All I remember is in the
Torah, the veil is used to make

one dude, marry the sister of the
girl, he actually wants to marry.

So he's got to work an extra seven
years so he can marry the second sister.

I mean, and he's like, ah, I'm
marrying the sister I want!.

And then like he lifted the veil and
it's like, ah, you tricked me, darn you,

veil got to work for another seven years.

Jeremy: It makes the bad
Price is Right noise?

That blah, blah, blah, blah.

Ben: Welcome to my very accurate
and super nuanced Torah study.

Emily: The Torah corner.

Ben: The Torah corner with Ben.

It's not accurate, but it's entertaining.

Emily: So, uh, apparently no, it's good.

I think this is a bit, we
need to incorporate more.

Jeremy: Um, they do some mythologizing
on the fly in this part, because

they're like, I guess we have to
go back to where it all started.

That's the church over there where
I got married and we have to go

to where the guy ringing the bell
died at the beginning of all this.

Ben: That's so vague.

Cause like, isn't that it?

Is that the first one, is that
okay, it'd be that wedding or does

it start when your fucking shithead
dad abandoned the secret family?

Emily: Or like

.
Ben: How would it be again?

That's vague.

Do we need to go back to
Dubai where you met Dale?

Emily: Got to go back in time.

Ben: That's way too vague.

I mean, I guess they make right?

Or they don't, it doesn't matter so long
as someone throws a ghost out a window.

Emily: Yeah.

Jeremy: So they get up there
and uh, Diana is having.

Ben: And that my complaints about
you have to go to where it all began.

That's not specific to this movie.

That's an instruction that
shows up in a bunch of things.

And every time it shows up,
I'm like, that's way too vague.

If someone told me, go back to
where it all began, I'm like, go.

Jeremy: The fertile Crescent?

Ben: Um, like if it's where
we met, I don't think that

IHOP is still open anymore.

I think that's a nail salon now.

Emily: It's, does it have
to be like geo positional?

Ben: Yeah.

Like, do I go to the next one or do we go
to the, IHOP that opened like downtown?

Emily: That's all very subjective.

Jeremy: It's fine.

As long as you played Coldplay and
just have it going back to the start.

Ben: Thank you for indulging me in
this scenario where I have a feud

with somebody I met at an IHOP.

Emily: This is, but these are important.

Like these, this is
important considerations when

confronting the demon lawyer.

Cause.

Ben: You just don't want to
end up in demon arbitration.

That's all I know.

Emily: For real.

Jeremy: Yeah.

So they so she has the I guess it's
called an arrhae, the little box

with the coins in it from Diana's
and Diana's having pregnancy fear

related, falling against a wall.

So she's like you have
to destroy it Sandy.

And so Sandy takes a fucking hammer
and just goes to town on that thing.

And the ghost walks up the stairs anyway.

They're like, oh, I
guess that didn't work.

And the ghost like, holds out
her arrhae, and she's like oh!

She's got mine.

That's the problem.

And slowly starts walking towards Diana
and gesturing towards her stomach.

You know, preparing to, to kill her.

And Sandy has, uh, a well-timed
flashback of somebody saying something

has to be, someone has to sacrifice
something and a full on football

tackles this this ghost at a window.

First, the first evidence we've
seen that anybody can physically

impact this ghost in any way.

Ben: I love this scene of just her
just dragging a ghost out a window.

I laughed so hard.

I'm like, this is fantastic.

It- was this always an option?

Like the whole time with
Dale, I'm like fucking hit it.

Just try- have you tried
punching the ghost?

Fucking throw a lamp at the ghost.

At least try to throw something at it.

Come on.

Emily: Someone has to make
a conscious sacrifice.

Ben: I did think it was very nice
of this ghost to keep delivering the

MacGuffins they need to defeat her.

Emily: Yeah.

That was a nice thing that was like built
in to the, uh, to the whole process.

I will say real quick technicality here.

The portent of the death of Diana
did not actually indicate her

death, but the death of her child.

Jeremy: Unborn child.

Yeah.

She was just sort of faded in
the picture, which the monk was

like, oh, I've seen this before.

Ben: Once again, way too many
fucking weddings are cursed.

The rules for this curse
are way too fucking broad.

Emily: It's like, okay, this is a
cl- this is a classic a child curse.

Ben: To which Helen is demonized
for having a wedding three

months after her father died.

The characters, all but flat
out say that she had it coming.

Emily: So yeah.

Ben: Justice, hashtag justice for helen.

Emily: For real hashtag
justice for a lot of people.

Bell ringer in the belfry.

Jesus.

Ben: This is a country where
John Constantine should be

part of the wedding industry.

Jeremy: Then starts the sequence
at the end of this movie in which I

spent a lot of time going, wait, what?

Because like they find
Sandy dead on the pavement.

And then I guess she stays there
for the night and until the morning,

at which point the dad shows up and
was like, oh my God, my daughter.

Emily: But her body's there.

Jeremy: You guys I think I, we
gotta move this dead body now.

It's been here all night,
but like, now it needs to go.

Now we can't have you crying on it.

And Diana hears her crying over Sandy and
is like, you know what, fuck this guy.

But then doubles back and
presents herself to him.

And he's like, ah, you're my
daughter that I abandoned.

Well, I guess since I don't have one
anymore, that I should be nice to you and-

Kuya P: Here's her stuff.

Ben: He's straight up like,
well, my other daughter's dead.

So I guess I'm just gonna
call that a Mulligan.

Jeremy: I got all this extra
daughter stuff lying around.

Ben: Just have- Just live in her bedroom.

It's fine.

Emily: It's so fucking weird.

Ben: Next to the completely unrelated
ghost house, which they never do

anything about Helen's ghost is
still just chilling in that house.

Jeremy: I mean, they cleaned it
up some, so now it says at least

a nice house to live in, I guess.

But at this point I was starting to get
angry at the movie cause I was like,

surely this man, this trash man who just
the whole man ought to be thrown away.

He's going to be the one
that makes it through this?

And he's just like, yeah,
everything's going to be great now.

Me and my daughter at which point he
goes and sits down in his room and

it looks at look sadly at pictures
of at his now dead wife and daughter.

At which point, the rocking
chair behind him just starts

rocking like a motherfucker.

That thing is going hard.

Ben: It takes them awhile to notice too.

It's like guy, there is,
there's definitely a ghost here.

You might want to check that out.

Kuya P: The whole time before the
rocking was happening, where I was

like, oh, please kill this guy.

Please kill this guy.

Please go to this guy.

Ben: It's a-

Kuya P: And then finally, that payoff.

Ben: It's a cathartic relief.

When that rocking chair starts going,
like, it feels like an injustice for

this guy to make it out of a movie.

So when that chair start talking,
you're like, oh, thank God.

It's okay.

Everyone that doing the candy man.

Emily: And this is in the scene where he's
like picking Diana up from this murder

scene or excuse me, sacrifice scene.

I don't know.

He's like, you know, the
reconciliation scene, there's one guy.

And I dunno if that was like
Erwin or whatever, but it was this

one guy in the follower of St.

John outfit that was just kind of there.

And he's like, yeah, yeah.

Good, good for you.

Jeremy: He's usually
ready for the slow clap.

He was like, we were doing this.

Yeah, he, he turns around and his
dead wife is there and rocking in

the chair and then his dead Sandy
swoops into, I guess, torture him.

We just hear his screams as the movie
pans out, across a bunch of houses.

It closes zooming slowly across
houses, as we hear a Fred scream.

Emily: I mean, that's
how the movie started.

We've pan right there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then the movie and-

Kuya P: It closes the same way.

Emily: Yeah.

We got our bookends.

Jeremy: We're going back to the start.

Emily: Coldplay does not play, but
then the credits have like a cool

cylinder scroll, which is neat.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Like an action movie and
they're coming to this green.

Oh my

Kuya P: goodness.

Yeah.

It's very exciting.

All throughout.

Jeremy: You guys, do we feel
like a Sukob is a feminist film?

Ben: There's a certain element of talking
about another nation and one and the

culture that I'm not a part of and know.

Oh, so little about that.

Like I don't know, by what standards
feminism might be judged by.

By, I guess our standards
I'm like, I don't know that.

Sure.

It was just very straight
and wedding culture based?

Jeremy: This is a very straight movie.

It's very no indication
of queerness whatsoever.

Emily: The, yeah, I mean, do you
have the protagonists as well.

Ben: I like The mom, who's just
like, I'm sick of your shit

and I'm getting the fuck out.

She was- she was awesome.

Emily: And she died.

Ghost girl, which is, you know,

Jeremy: I think like the
women are definitely the more

well-rounded characters in this.

Ben: For sure.

Jeremy: I think like it doesn't do
anything particularly feminist, but we

do have, you know, these capable female
characters who are not for the most part,

not discounted by the men in this story.

You know, Dale starts out kind of like,
can we just have a nice wedding day?

I mean, I know some weird
stuff has happened, but like

in this not be terrible.

And then he's like, oh, it's terrible.

Nevermind.

Let's fix it.

Emily: There's a lot of discourse
between women in terms of

the, like these matriarchs.

Of the family.

It's like the, and also the more
capable women of these families

that we see are depicted as the
people in charge of the family.

Like, Tessie is definitely a
lot more capable than Fred.

I don't know if we ever see Dale's dad.

I don't know if we ever see, I don't know
if, if Brian had a dad at that point.

But we do get a lot of interaction between
these brides and their mother-in-laws,

as well as their, I mean, those who
have mothers, you know, their own

mothers and all of these older women
are depicted as particularly capable.

And not too, like, not shrew like,
except for maybe Brian's mom, but she's,

that's the thing about Brian's mom is
that she's like, look, if we can't find

his body, you can't have the house,
but you can't have this apartment.

It's a shitty move, but it's not like
a totally abandonment move, you know?

Ben: It is pretty wild.

It's like, go look when there was a
corpse, we were fine laying your stay, but

we go by habeas Corpus and this household.

Emily: Well, I mean,
if you think about it.

Ben: No Corpus, no habeas.

Emily: That's, that's fair.

Ben: I'm pretty sure this Latin holds up.

Emily: I mean, considering all of
the weirdness that's going on and

the lack of bodies and stuff, there's
certainly some legal issues that

may be coming up for poor Diana.

If we're going to really
like read it like that.

Jeremy: I really feel like like, Brian's
mom is awful because Diana is clearly

grieving and having a hard time herself.

And the mom is like, what
did he do with his body?

It's like, why would she have
done something with his body?

Like, she's just, she's in the same
spot as you, like, what is this?

Why, why are you blaming her
for his body being missing?

Like that?

Girl's clearly not strong enough
to like drag off this man's body.

Somewhere.

Emily: Well, she, the
mom never saw the body.

She just comes in and sees
a fucking wedding cord.

Jeremy: Plenty of people there,
like, that did see the body.

It's not as if she was sitting
with the body and it was

like, mom, come check it out.

Your husband, your son died.

And then there was no.

Emily: I think a lot of those situations
were pretty much in flux because

again, like if you really look into the
sequence of events from like a procedural

standpoint is a lot of complicated shit
that doesn't hold up, which is why I

think we should have our Filipino X-Files.

Kuya P: Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Emily: Like I want that.

Ben: It would be great.

I would love that.

That'd be dope as hell.

Emily: Yeah.

Which is not, it's not like, it's
not FBI or anything, but it's like,

Jeremy: We can workshop this, but then
when we got the, we got the files, we

have the Philippines, it can just be
like part of the X-Files is going to

be like the Manila envelope, you know?

Emily: That's I was thinking
when I said Manila earlier, I

was like, yeah, I could go there.

So thank you, Jeremy,
for going there instead.

Thank you for making that sacrifice.

Jeremy: I do what I must, because I can.

Emily: Yeah, your cupcake curse is lifted.

Jeremy: Finally.

Emily: But yeah, I mean the movie,
like in terms of feminism that I guess,

I think we were talking about that.

Yeah.

The movie certainly could
have been less feminist.

I mean, I'm glad that dad got it in end.

Ben: But that dad had to die, had to die.

That dad could not have made it through
the end of the movie, like unscathed.

Jeremy: Yeah.

It takes a while to develop,
but definitely towards

the end, the message is.

By cheating on your wife and then
abandoning your child, you have

brought ruined on this family.

Ben: Yeah.

And now they, he gets visited by different
ghosts, so presumably he is now invited

a new, completely unrelated curse upon

Emily: It's just a-

Ben: Is it still related
to the first curse?

Jeremy: It's cousins.

Cousin curses.

Ben: Yeah.

Just curse on curse on curse on curse.

Emily: I mean, if you have a wedding
curse, then you can have like,

I mean, there's situations that
are definitely more deserving of

curses than, getting married the
same year that your brother did.

Ben: If you give a mouse, a cursed cookie,
he's going to want some haunted milk.

Emily: Yeah, exactly.

Jeremy: I guess I'm curious how did
the, uh, class stuff land for you guys?

Kuya, did you have any thoughts on that?

Kuya P: I was looking for that.

And then it seemed to just like really
blend together in different respects.

Like when I was trying to
make those distinctions.

But then again, I guess, I guess also
as we've been talking earlier, you

know, just that confusion in regards
to transitions, which then just threw

me off because I thought we were
here and then now it's different.

I would have appreciated if
that would have came off better.

But it was just too
confusing for me personally.

I think

Jeremy: it was definitely some city vs.

country stuff in there.

Emily: Yeah.

Yeah.

But the house the house that Diana and
Brian have seems like an ideal place for

them as it is very cherished by them.

And it's not opulent like the L's family's
house, but obviously Brian's family

has some money because they have that
house and they have the city apartment,

so I feel like if there's anything,
any sort of class strata indicated

it's with interestingly it's it's with
both families grooms or w how should

I say this is within, in both couples?

The groom's family is the wealthy family.

Although Sandy's family is depicted
as comfortable, maybe lacking a

bit because of the dad, I'm so
comfortable, but dysfunctional.

And then, I can't tell here, nor
there how the, uh, the situation in

Dale's family is, they seem fine.

The mother-in-law yeah.

She's like cool and chill.

And and she doesn't, I was expecting
actually her to bring up curses more

readily than Sandy's birth mother,
because usually like in a situation

like that, it's about standards.

And, when you have wedding drama,
there's a, a lot of concern about

standards to the other family.

Like, how am I going to represent
myself for the other family?

But in this case, it was all within
that all between Sandy and her mom.

Jeremy: Sandy's mom is thoroughly
unconcerned about the fact that

like the house next door is cursed.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: Zero fucks given.

Jeremy: Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that.

They did some stupid shit and they died.

Cuz of a curse.

Kuya P: We were talking
uh, Filipino X-Files.

I just remember Trese by
Budjette Tan, who's a friend

of mine, and Kajo Baldisimo.

Uh, it was a graphic
novel in the Philippines.

Now it's a series on Netflix,
the animated series on Netflix.

Yeah, it follows Alexandra Trese
who's like this, I dunno if she's

a detective, but she goes kills,
like, you know, the supernatural

threats in the Philippines and shit.

It's really good.

Uh, Animated series on Netflix,
highly recommend T R E S E.

Trese.

Really good.

Yeah, there you go.

Get some Filipino X-Files through Trese.

Jeremy: Yeah.

I mean, I- I think that actually
leads nicely into a what's next

because we we've talked already about,
I think we would recommend this.

It's not a particularly
great movie, but it is fun.

Yeah.

Kuya P: And it's got some
good elements in there.

I actually, w while we were talking
and you guys were breaking this down

amazingly, like, I, I felt bad that
I didn't have enough notes, but it

made me think like, the way it was
done, I don't think it was a very

expensive movie to make, but like,
I think I could make this and then

actually amp it up, give Ben the gore.

Cause I think gore would have taken to a,
another level that I would love to obtain.

Ben: Yeeeahhh!

Kuya P: You know?

That's fun.

I'm a gore guy too.

And so just, yeah I would
love to see it redone.

It was good in concept.

But I think there's elements that
could be improved definitely.

And and make it even
better, stronger film.

Ben: Totally agree.

Jeremy: I think that climactic scene
where they're running through the like

festival could be really scary because
you have all the guys dressed up, you

have everybody sort of milling about.

If they're just getting like
shots glimpses of the flower

girl out there, then like.

Kuya P: Yeah.

They could have done so much with that.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's just sort of like a
set piece that they sort of

run by as they're doing it.

But yeah, I guess that leads us
to asking, what, uh, what would we

recommend to people live and seeing this?

Obviously, I think Trese is one.

Did you have any other things
that you wanted to recommend?

Kuya P: Well, definitely Trese again,
light like you all, but kind of sad for me

as the Filipino guy here in the room that
I'm hungry to learn more about my people

and my culture and what they put together.

That's why I started ShoPowSho,
which is my own podcast.

Promo!

I hope you don't mind me plugging
it, but ShoPowSho, that's my, uh,

Filipinx show where, uh, myself
and, uh, I call them the amazing

Ates, which means sister in Tagalog.

And I go by Kuya P as a nod to
my culture cause Kuya means big

brother kind of like the protector
of the, the, the eldest brother.

Takes care of everything.

So that's why I go by Kuya P.

But, uh, my whole mission with, with
that is to highlight and show love and

support to Filipinos in various fields
of industry, and learn uh, with the

ates who are also Fil-Ams that grew up
here in America and mix like myself that

want to know more about our culture.

And so we bring on different people of
that ilk to teach us and educate us.

So, uh, I'm learning and, and
again, with Jeremy pulling this

film out, this made me aware of
this and I'm like, okay, I love it.

So, I wish I could give more
recommendations, but definitely Trese

by Budjette Tan, I did an interview
with him on the show uh, him along

with Kajo Baldisimo did Trese in the
Philippines it's sold well so much

so that it now has a Netflix series.

And I think they're getting a season two
and a so shout out to a Budjette and Kajo.

But uh, now I'm learning is, as I
learned, if you want to follow me

@thelegendkuyap on Twitter, TikTok and IG,
I'll drop those recommendations to you.

And I would love to come back and
watch some of those, uh, other

projects as I learn them as well
to, to deep dive with you guys.

This was a lot of fun.

Ben: Hell yeah!

That'd be awesome.

Emily: Yeah, thank you.

I'm actually looking at the
opening scene of Trese right

now, and it looks really rad.

So check that out.

Ben: I think my recommendation is if you
want to see another movie involving long

lost sisters, I'm going to recommend 1998,
The Parent Trap starring Lindsay Lohan.

Kuya P: I love it.

I love it.

But also the original is great too.

Now.

Ben: Yes.

All versions of The Parent Trap.

Jeremy: Yeah.

At least the original and
the Lindsay Lohan one.

I don't know if there are off-brand
ones out there somewhere, but, uh,

yeah, the original is fantastic.

Emily, what did you have to recommend?

Emily: Well, I mentioned the X-Files
it's just very similarly in the

same wheelhouse as this movie.

Now I haven't seen these movies,
but they were recommended to me on

Amazon and there's a shit ton of them.

And there's gotta be some gems in
there just in terms of probability.

So, check out, shake, rattle,
and roll the anthology series.

It's on F or it's not on Netflix.

It's on, uh, Amazon.

It might be on Netflix.

I don't know.

But each of those movies.

There's at least 15 of them, and each
of them has three little shorts in it.

So there is a series of anthology movies.

And I think they're mostly
if not all in Tagalog.

So, you know, arm your subtitles.

If you don't speak Tagalog, if you do.

Kuya P: So, is it shake, rattle, and roll?

Like, like music shake, rattle, and roll.

Yeah.

Emily: I mean, that's how it's spelled,
but I mean, if you watch the, you look at

those title cards and you can definitely
see that this is a horror situation.

Kuya P: Okay.

Yeah.

I'm doing a search right now.

Yeah.

Oh, I see it.

I see it.

Ah, okay.

I'm in, I will look into this.

Emily: Yeah.

And let us know because if you get into it
before I do, cause my curiosity is piqued.

So, you know, listeners friends,

Kuya P: I'm hungry for a
real Filipino horror film.

To me, this was too much TV movie.

Like I want a real.

Yeah.

Emily: And in anthologies you sometimes
get like some really cool stuff cause

you, it's some, something, maybe they
couldn't sell it as a whole movie,

but they got a chance to do at short.

Kuya P: Um, I want to share real quick.

I'm gonna put it in the chat if
you guys want to check it out.

When I was doing a search on Sukob, I
found there's this wedding cake that

somebody made in honor of the film.

And if you guys pull it up or I don't know
if you want to put it Alicia in the edit

or whatever, it's a wedding cake you can
make, but it's filled with strawberry jam.

So it looks like blood coming out.

It looks really cool.

I might have one of my wedding cake or
cake friends make that, cuz that looks for

like, like a hollow, a Halloween party?

That would look dope.

You know, you cut into this cake,
but then it gushes strawberry

jam, but it looks but it's blood.

Emily: Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Well, if you're, if you're goth
and you want to get married.

Kuya P: Oh, there you go.

Oh yeah.

Ben: Yeah.

That's the move.

Kuya P: Yeah.

I don't know if you guys see it.

It's pretty sweet.

Emily: Yeah.

It's good.

Ben: Get some chocolate
spider webs up in there.

Kuya P: Yeah, there you go.

Jeremy: Yeah.

And I I'm I wanted to recommend to
me while I was looking for this movie

I hit several others like uh, Kris
Aquino, who is in this film also did a

pair of other ones that are very well
reviewed that are called Feng Shui.

It's Feng Shui and Feng Shui 2.

Um, which are both about
a creepy cursed mirror.

And they both look, uh, they both
look good, have similar colony

to this, maybe a little better.

But they didn't make as much
money as one did, which is why,

you know, the check this one out.

So it's definitely worth checking out.

There's there's a whole, sort of
subculture of horror movies in the

Philippines that have been popping up.

I mean, it's still a
fairly young industry.

I mean, Feng Shui is pretty early.

It's 2004.

Uh, it's the same director as well
as, uh, you know, Kris Aquino.

So, it's definitely worth checking out.

I mean, it's definitely related to
this one, if you want to see it.

And uh, there's, you know, you can
look up best Filipino horror movies

and you'll get a whole, a whole
array of stuff that looks good.

So there's a lot more
that I want to check out.

In addition to this one.

Awesome.

Yeah.

So, uh, to wrap up here, Kuya, did
you want to let people know where

they can find more about you and you
know, your podcast and everything on.

Kuya P: Awesome.

I appreciate that.

Um, you can follow me at the
legend Kuya P on Twitter, Tik,

TOK, and IG, and a ShoPowSho.

That's on everything as well.

Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
S H O P O w S H O a.

That's where again, I talk about
Filipinos in various fields of industry

highlighting their stories and the ups
and downs and, and also talk about the

various projects they have going on.

And as well as NRW nerds rule the world
uh, that's my big daddy pop culture

site, where I'm talking with everybody
reviewing everything and and also hosting

a whole bunch of other sub podcasts
within that uh, Sumthin or Nuthin.

My shopowsho, the Blerd Dad Podcast.

You're so cool with Rob
Medina and Kuya & The Kid.

A lot of, oh, and we have a new
show called, uh, from tales from

behind the comics counter, where a
bunch of comic retailers, uh, share

their stories of the comic shop.

So that's going to be a fun one.

Ben: Oh Yeah.

No, I, I, I definitely got stories
from my time working at a comic shop.

Kuya P: So a lot of exciting stuff
over @ the nrw youtube.com new

release Wednesday, the NRW and
@NewReleaseWednesday on Twitter and IG.

And thank you guys so much.

This was a lot of fun.

Emily: Awesome.

Thank you!

Jeremy: Absolutely.

Ben: Thanks so much for coming on,
I'm so glad you had a good time.

Jeremy: I'm jealous.

You got to a interview Denzel over there
recently you were talking about earlier

Kuya P: Ah.

It's been an amazing year so far.

A ton of content coming
the way on the way.

Jeremy: Yeah, absolutely.

And, uh, as for the rest of us, you guys
can find emily @megamoth on twitter and

mega_moth on instagram, and megamoth.net.

Ben is on Twitter at BentheKahn and
their website @benkahncomics.com,

where you can pick up all their books,
including the brand new one, Immortals,

Fenyx, rising graphic novel from
great beginnings and the glaad award

nominated Renegade rule, graphic novel.

And finally for me, you can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at jrome58 and

my website @ jeremywhitley.com, where
you can check out everything I write.

And of course the podcast is on
patrieon at Progressively Horrified.

Uh, our website is
ProgressivelyHorrified.Transistor.fm

and on Twitter @ProgHorrorPod.

And, uh, we would love
to hear from you there.

So come hit us up.

Tell us what you thought of the movie.

You know, more recommendations are always,
uh, things where we're happy to check out.

Speaking of which we would love to
hear from you as far as your rating

and reviewing the podcast as well.

We'd love to get five stars and it
helps us find more or less nerds

as we get as we rank up there.

Thanks again so much, Kuya P.

It's been a pleasure, man.

This is great.

Kuya P: Yeah, definitely.

Definitely.

Please have me back.

I'd love to check out, shake, rattle,
and roll, and I'll find some other

amazing, cool projects to recommend.

And I'd love to deep dive
with you guys on that.

Jeremy: Oh, anytime.

We'd be happy to have you.

And thanks as always to Ben and
Emily for joining me and thank

you to all of you for listening.

We will see you next week and
until next time stay horrified.

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