Jeremy: Uh, I'm gonna mix up this intro
a little bit too, just so you guys know.

Okay, sure.

If you didn't see it in the

Emily: script.

I did not.

Haven't looked at the script since

Jeremy: this morning.

Don't worry about it.

You don't.

I won't.

It's better if you don't know.

Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified the podcast

where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.

Tonight we're talking about a sequel.

Whose premise is that?

It's about remix.

It's Scream four.

I never get to do one of
these opening bits where I say

something reverential and clever.

Quick, somebody introduce me.

Emily: Uh, This is Jeremy Whitley.

And wait, am I, am I supposed
to be following a script?

No.

Okay.

What's

Ben: your favorite scary movie, Jeremy?

Jeremy: Oh, no.

Um, That's, that's not my bit.

My bit is Adam, bro.

Adam

Emily: Brody, we can't
hear your, your stop, stop,

TJ: stop.

Oh,

Jeremy: no.

You can't hear my stomps.

I'll have to edit

Ben: it in later.

. Yeah.

Emily: Wait, do it again?

Adam Brody, stop, stop, stop.

.
Ben: There you go.

Jeremy: He, he's back.

It's our king Adam Brody
also joining us tonight.

they're here to challenge the sexy
werewolf, sexy vampire binary.

My co-host Ben Khan.

Ben, how are you tonight?

Woo.

.
Ben: You're

TJ: muted.

.
Emily: Oh, no, Ben,

Ben: this is awesome.

I'm not fucking here because
you fucking started the episode.

We, my audio set up.

I know my sound isn't coming
through Good right now.

A little late.

It's a little late.

I know.

Emily: This is the best
opening that we've ever

Ben: had.

I am, this is terrible.

Jeremy: It's a very scream opening,

Ben: honestly.

Yes.

I know that my voice isn't coming across
right and I Oh no, that is that anything.

No, it's not.

I'm just, I have all these fucking dials.

What do they do?

? I'm in a nightmare.

Oh no.

This

TJ: is on brand screen
four has the most chaotic

Ben: opening.

Yeah, I can hear all of you hear.

Jeremy: You're just a little, little

Ben: soft.

Okay.

Okay.

Nope, that's too much.

That's too much.

Oh, now you're too much.

Now you're good.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Oh my God.

. Oh my fucking God.

. I'm done.

Good.

Good podcast everyone.

Same time next week.

That was Scream Floor, Adam Brody

Jeremy: and the Cinnamon Roll of
C Bites, our co-host Emily Martin.

How are you tonight, Emily?

Emily: I refuse to accept that Gail
Weathers does not know the usage

or the meaning of the term meta.

She is a fucking journalist.

Jeremy: Maybe that's meta
commentary on journalism.

Ben: Shit.

God, I wanna see Gail in her
like hunter ass Thompson era now.

Emily: God.

Yeah.

Seriously, seriously.

Also, this movie should
have been found footage

Ben: well, This movie
definitely really likes.

Its like, oh, they're filming a movie now.

But I don't feel like it
really goes anywhere with that.

Absolutely not.

I

Jeremy: mean, they think about it.

And our guest, one of the hosts of Gotham
Outside's Batman Book Club, and our

resident scream expert, TJ Tennessee.

Tj, how

TJ: are you?

I'm good.

Did you guys know TJ stood for Trevor Jr.

I'm just kidding.

I didn't.

It doesn't,

Ben: but I wish it did.

. Now I wanna know what TJ does stand for.

TJ: It's Troy Junior.

Emily: But the, so the
Jay does mean Junior?

Ben: Yes.

Oh, are you?

Wait, really?

All that gets me is scream from the
high school, musical three by Troy.

Yeah.

I used to get that a lot.

.
TJ: I was a high school musical kid.

And I will say, I didn't know
what meta meant for the longest

Ben: time telling me that you
were, are you telling me that you

were a high school musical kid?

I was, yes.

Yeah.

What.

How could you not know?

Come on.

We were doing, we got
his head in the game.

I watched it live.

Jeremy: does not surprise me at all.

No, come on.

Second from this this film.

I'm gonna let Ben do the recap, but
before we get into that, I do wanna

say it is we do have the OGs back.

It is directed by West Craven
and written by Kevin Williamson.

And uh, I did not know where to
stop with this cast list when I was

putting it together because it does
Star Nev Campbell, Courtney Cox and

David Arquette, but also Emma Roberts,
Hayden Panier, Alison Bree, Rory

Colgan, Anthony Anderson, Adam Brody,
Marley Shelton, and guest experiences

by Lucy Hale, Anna Apac when Kristen
Bell, Shana Grimes, and Amy Teagarden.

Anybody who was anybody or would
be anybody for the next five to 10

years, or anybody blonde at least

Ben: every time Adam Brody shows up,
it's, it's just such a fucking joy.

We, Selena Gomez

TJ: was almost in this

Jeremy: movie that doesn't, somehow
does not at all surprise me.

Ben: Yeah, right.

Would she have been one of like I guess
one of the teenage girl characters?

I wanna say she

TJ: was almost Jill, but I could be

Ben: making that.

Oh my god.

Selena Gomez is Jill would've
been fucking something else.

Now, Emma Roberts, though, I do wanna say
to a degree, it really bothers me that

Jill Roberts is played by Emma Roberts.

I love it.

. I don't like it.

I don't like her having the
same last name as her character.

It really bothers me for
some irrational reason.

Jeremy: Be like if ne Campbell's actual
cousin was playing the part, you know?

Emily: Yeah.

There's talk about meta

.
Ben: Yeah.

now we get into the era of the screen
franchise that I lovingly can refer to

as what if we did the ideas from Scream
three again, but without camp this time

When you

Emily: say without camp

Ben: by, by comparison to That's true.

Three,

Emily: that's true.

There is no, appearance of Jay and
Silent Bob in this movie to its dish.

Wait,

Ben: There is a baseline camp for
this franchise and then there's

Carrie Fisher cameo as woman who
looks like Carrie Fisher and accuses

George Lucas of a Me Too scandal

Jeremy: in a movie that is about.

Me too.

Scandal.

10, like 15 years before that happens.

And also it's produced
by Harvey Weinstein.

Ben: Y'all scream three is fucking wild.

Yeah, I'll say

TJ: Scream four is like, like I know the
original is the best and a lot of people

love Scream two, but this one is my like
personal comfort favorite Scream four.

So I've really been excited
to talk about this one.

I think Hayden Pener and Emma
Roberts are like standouts.

I love both of them in

Ben: this Kirby, my
Queen, this is the first

Jeremy: one that I hadn't seen
before, like before watching

it, before the podcast.

And I had no idea Hannah
Hayden Panier was in it.

And I was sure, especially since
they like, dropped some hints

in there that Kirby was going
to be gay, but oh yeah, she's

Ben: not weirdly.

Oh yeah, yeah.

She's gotta be like

TJ: her energy, her clothing, that

Ben: shot of her, the attraction
to that Colgan brother wasn't

compulsory heterosexuality.

TJ: My theory is she thought maybe he
was gonna end up being a killer when

they were sitting around her house.

And you know how you try to like
befriend the school shooter kid

so you don't get shot later on.

Ben: That's my theory.

My theory is that Kirby
is such a bratty bottom.

Emily: That, and also I think
that she was sensing something

coming off of Rory Colgan.

His character, like

Ben: there was is that
Hot Murderer Energy?

Yeah.

She was picking up on the murder

.
Emily: Yeah.

Well, I mean, I feel like in terms
of, Hot Murderer stands, those kids,

Charlie and what the fuck his name is?

I don't know.

Kid with the GoPro.

Ben: they are,

I didn't like posting his name.

That's fine.

I already forgot this GoPro kid.

Emily: This GoPro kid.

A k a Jeffrey Dahmer w
who account on four chan.

,
Ben: okay.

I'm glad you brought up Dahmer because
for the longest time with this franchise,

I'm like, I love these movies, but
this whole staff franchise, it's like,

it's a little bit of a cartoonish
bridge that they made a whole franchise

out of like these real life murders.

And then the fucking Daher
series on Netflix came out.

I'm like, ow.

Yeah, I guess this is realistic.

I know.

TJ: Well, they do say she sued
them, so they had to stop using her

Ben: real life in the series.

Okay.

How much are these movie mon, how
much money are these movies making

that this franchise just chugs along?

A fill, an entire film shoot becomes
a mass murder site, eat making movies.

The principle like figure sues you.

What is the Box Office return on
the Stab movies as a franchise?

It is Unfucking Killable.

I mean,

Emily: Transformers had a bunch of movies.

Ben: That's true.

And the box office returns on those was

Emily: insane.

So I guess one of the stab movies,
if not most of them, that weren't

directed by Robert Rodriguez,
were directed by Michael Bay.

That

Ben: must be, it.

Did James Cameron do a stab movie
that made like a billion and a half

dollars and the killer was underwater?

Who 2 billion worth of avatar
too, was, didn't doubt it for a

second because it's Shames Cameron.

But at the same time

Emily: you know, it was
probably like a global,

Ben: I don't know.

He pulled

Jeremy: a real global, that guy.

Anyway,

Emily: so what happens
to this crazy ass film?

Jeremy: Yeah.

Ben, tell us about

Ben: Scream four.

All right, so we start out
with a delightfully bonkers

movie in a movie opening.

That also gives us a pretty great,
like Kristen Ballen and a Packin cameo.

But then we get uh, the real world generic
blonde girls who get killed off in our

customary scream intro with an absolutely
brutal garage door on the spine kill.

That's just got some like sound
design on it, like some real

good spine crunchy sounds.

Smash cut too.

Sydnee is back in Woodsboro for
her book tour about how she's not a

victim and she's here for publicist.

Alison Bree cameo smash Cut Again,
and for once Dewey and Gail actually

start a movie together as a couple.

And Dewey, sheriff of Woodsboro.

Good for you.

Dewey.

You were the one good pig in
the horror movie universe.

I

Emily: mean, he's bad at being a pig,
so I think that, which is why he's

so

Ben: good at being a person.

Yes.

Resent, get introduced to Kirby,
who as mentioned is a fucking queen.

Yes.

Incredible character.

Spoilers so fucking happy.

She's back in Scream Sex cannot.

Later on they'll be seen Latin theaters

Jeremy: later on they'll be like, there'll
be that moment where like the film kids

say that the only way to survive one of
these horror movies now is to be gay.

And they will shoot directly
at Kirby who will like, just

look at the camera and then

Ben: she will be her eyebrow rating.

It's incredible.

So it's incredible.

Thousand percent in my notes.

Meanwhile, this whole scene, she
is like eye banging the fuck out of

Syd whenever they scene together.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I

Emily: would

Ben: the end right, is full on murders
happening and Kirby runs into Cindy

and is just like, quick sydnee.

Let's get into a room, like a room.

Just lock us in.

Just you and me together.

TJ: Oh.

And when they're in the kitchen, she
goes, I bet she has scars everywhere.

Ben: I was like, whoa.

Yeah.

Emily: Kirby is

Ben: so fucking gay for
Cindy in this movie.

It's amazing.

And I love Kirby so much.

TJ: Yeah.

I asked Kevin Williamson if it
was intentional, like from him

that she be gay, and according
to him, he never intended it.

Although she was described as
like a tomboy in the script.

But then someone along the way had
to have taken that and ran with it

between the wardrobe, Hayden's acting,
and then the shot of her in the.

Scene.

Like if someone had to have been doing it

Ben: all this.

Yeah, like that's the thing.

Like there had to be editors involved.

Like people made choices.

this was an acting directing and editing
went into making Kirby so fucking gay.

Emily: Yeah,

I just, I the whole thing about
like, if you're gay in a horror

movie that protects you from death,
and then they just don't unpack that.

They're just like according to
the rules, the only way to survive

a horror movie is to be gay.

And I'm like, in what fucking planet?

Ben: Right.

What, who are you that existed for a
punchline that I don't think landed?

Yeah.

Emily: Like, right.

I think I'm like, Kevin,
you can't just say shit.

You can't just be like, oh, and also
all horror movies have to have a dragon.

That would be cool.

It would be cool if being
gay in a horror movie.

You just walk through and
you're like, that's too bad.

You know, like you can just automatically

Ben: survive, you know, with all
these ghosts with, I love how this

movie is constantly being, how it's.

Books and movies about real life
murders inspires and perpetuates

more violence and murders.

But at no point does the series
honestly truly unpack that.

It just uses it as a springboard for more

Emily: movies.

I mean, spring two almost got it.

it seems like

Jeremy: both West CRA and Kevin
Williamson come into this with like,

the starting point is teenagers
are psychopaths, you know, and then

they just keep going from there.

Yeah.

Father unpacking that part,

Ben: where's the ghost face?

Who's inspired by like, the coffee shop?

Au fan.

F Roast It's over.

Needs a t-shirt.

I will say, I think the gay Starbucks unit

TJ: would've worked better if you know, we
had that scene in the club where they're

like, oh, you have to be gay to survive.

And then Kirby, like, Kirby is
supposed to be like the film

buff, so like, I don't know.

I feel like she would've, if
this trope was true in this film,

leaned into it or maybe been
like, huh, maybe I am kind of gay.

Maybe I should explore that, survive this.

And then

Ben: when she makes a move on him

TJ: is be like, Hey, I think
I might be gay, actually.

Like that would've been really cool.

Ben: Yeah

I think that could have all worked.

Like even if like you just show
Kirby surviving in this movie.

Yeah.

Instead of it being like a freeze frame.

By the way, she survived
Reveal in Five and now she's

gonna come back in the sixth.

That's not a Spoiler.

Five.

Oh yes.

By the way, we did not say it earlier.

This episode will cover full spoilers
for screams one through four.

We will not be discussing any spoilers for
Scream Five, and therefore we'll be doing

little to no discussion of the upcoming.

TJ: So if they ever bring Kirby back,
they better not like straight Washer,

Ben: which I know is She's in the trail.

She's in the trailer.

Yeah.

Like that's not a fucking
spoiler for school sex.

She's in the trailer.

She's in the movie.

We can't spoil a movie
that hasn't come out.

Can we talk real

Emily: quick about the girls
texting on a Game Boy Advance Oh.

Of this fucking film going on Facebook
and, and looking up like Dick pics of

Channing Tatum, which like from the GetGo.

Ben: Yeah.

Right.

That's like that one movie
where the girl's like fucking

texting in Microsoft Excel.

I'm like, fucking side . I forget
what music, video or movie it's

from, but it's real fucking thing.

I do have a

Emily: question for you writers though.

When you're just trying to like
spitball ideas, do you have like a

really big document open with like
74 print font on your computer that

says chapter one and then you like,
you don't bother to like make the font

smaller, you just shout the next thing?

Ben: Look, you hear a lot about
how you need to capture attention

with that first sentence.

. Gail is a boomer.

Okay.

Meant to be well written.

That's

Emily: true.

She doesn't know what meta is and I'm.

, how are you going to ga?

Yeah.

Gail is way behind the times.

Gail

Ben: is unable to write literally
anything that isn't her at

the center of grizzly murders.

Gail is behind

Jeremy: the times except for
in Woodsboro, where in 2011

everybody still had home phones.

Emily: Yeah.

And texting on their game.

Boy, advance

.
Ben: Yeah.

After we start getting all this fucking
like malevolent and the candy man

reboot I hope this trend continues
until we get to like scream eight and

it's like, ah, this is the movie where
Ghost Face is kind of a superhero.

How old

Emily: the, I'm so surprised that
Ghost, it's been over a decade.

It's been like we've had
multiple ghost faces, right?

Ghost Face has not

Ben: Who done upgrade is
kinda the central element.

Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like, nobody has got an idea of like,
what if, you know, I do the ghost face.

Like, that's iconic.

You gotta be ghost face.

He got have the cloak.

He got out the mask.

But what if he had like a Katana

Ben: like I

TJ: have to direct us back to Kirby
So I know Ben already knew that

Kirby survived because we watched
this together before this time.

Um, So like Jeremy and Emily, did you

Ben: like

TJ: know that Kirby lived already?

Like did you think she was gonna I like
wasn't spoiled for you ahead of time?

Emily: No, it wasn't spoiled.

I honestly, for a moment, like I knew
ex like Jack shit about this movie.

Ben: There is nothing in the
scream for, to indicate that Kirby.

TJ: So did you assume she died by the end?

Yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

I mean, I maybe, like she
didn't, didn't really, she died

Jeremy: very much offscreen.

Like she gets stabbed once
and just kind of falls

Ben: out place.

Yes.

Spoilers for Scream Six.

Jeremy: I knew that Hayden Panier
was alive because I know that hero

went back in time and saved her
so that we could save the world.

TJ: Oh, that's right.

That was a great show for a season.

Ben: I bring up the

TJ: Kirby.

Is she alive or isn't she?

Because it was such a
big thing in the fandom.

So like, I binge scream one through
four for the first time in like 2015.

And at the time it was like, this is it.

And there was so much fan debate
about if she lived or if she didn't.

And they're like on the commentary,
west Craven was like, oh, we

left her moving on purpose.

Like you hear the basement door open
when Sydnee starts to go down the steps.

That could have been
her coming in for help.

And apparently Hayden Panier had
a no-kill clause in her contract.

So like, oh.

But everyone was like,
no, she's, she's dead.

Like we're never gonna know.

So the fact that 12 years later, you
know, it got confirmed in an Easter

that she lived, now she's coming back.

It's like a huge deal.

,
Emily: I'm glad that there is something
there for the people that are, have

just trucked it through this series.

Like I'm glad that you can
have some reward for that.

Thank you.

. Yeah,

Ben: it's always, I'm really happy.

It's always a thing that's franchise
when like surviving characters retiring.

Cause I feel like it's always a matter
like will someone reach that like

true veteran status or are they like
almost first on the chopping block

because they're a returning character.

TJ: But it's like, why would you go
through so much effort to not like,

I'm gonna use the word racon cuz I
think it, you know, counsel a bit here.

Yeah, why would you do so much effort
to bring her back just to kill her?

I'm like, please.

Cause

Jeremy: that's anyways very much
in keeping with the scream uva I

think because you know that's true.

It's not like the first movie
didn't cast Drew Barrymore easily.

The best known person in that movie
to kill her in the first five minutes,

Ben: you know?

But also there's just been
like, okay, Randy survives one

Killed in two cotton survives.

Two killed in three.

Mm-hmm . Yeah.

I was so

Jeremy: ready for one of the
main characters to die in

this movie and nobody did

.
Emily: I'm kind of glad though,
because if Dewey died doesn't

even, I would be very upset.

Dewey doesn't

Ben: even get injured in this movie.

He does.

He isn't even a real, barely a
boo boo by Dewey injury stand.

Yeah, but he's out

Emily: like fucking nev like everybody
else has like multiple stab wounds and

Ben: like,

Jeremy: His ridiculous limp from
Scream too has gone away now.

Emily: Yeah, he's, he's over the
limp, but all you need to do, I

guess is like to take him out is just
hit him with an aluminum bed pan.

But like, if you have multiple stab
wounds, you can run around this

hospital and scream at the top of
your lungs and like, you know, like

Ben: in the title.

Well, apparently you can also be
defibrillated right to the fucking

skull and still just get up and be fine.

Jeremy: I really appreciated the delivery
on the, I've got one word for you.

Yeah.

And I was like, Claire, I know what it is.

It's clear.

It's clear.

She's gonna say Clear.

Ben: It happened.

I was like, yes.

That's why I like that.

Well, I will say whether it's chill
or still, I would like to eventually

see them not kill a ghost face.

So you could then bring that.

Character back next movie is
like, yeah, to catch a ghost face.

We need a ghost face.

. Jill would be so good as like the
Hannibal lector of like the ghost faces.

I,

Emily: Jill, I don't know.

Jill is not the best ghost face.

Hey, got back.

Ben: I won't, Jill.

I love her.

Emily: I, she's cool and all, but like,

Jeremy: it's the best I face since one,

Ben: like Yeah.

Fairs.

Yeah, that's true.

Billy and Stu.

Billy and Stu

Jeremy: are, are iconic.

Ben: I think my favorite ghost face
after one is, again, no spoilers,

but I think it's probably five.

Oh, I haven't seen five yet.

Okay.

Haven't

Jeremy: I haven't seen five.

You know, I did appreciate Rayland
Gibbons being ghost face in, in two.

You know, I, I, it's nice when you
see somebody in a movie like this,

this is before they were famous
and you're like, Hey, that guy.

And you're like, oh, I guess
it's a spoiler that he's a, a

big deal . Well, he's a bigger
part this movie than it seemed

Ben: like.

TJ: I don't know.

There's just something
about Jill, her camp.

It's like, and like 2011 when Emma Roberts
wasn't known for playing a crazy bitch.

I feel like it had to
have been so surprising in

Ben: that day.

Jill wanted about

Jeremy: one and a half
to two minutes less.

Monologue right at the end there.

No, I love it.

Ben: Yes.

She's a point,

Jeremy: she's lecturing Sydnee where
it's like Sydnee has falling asleep on

the counter and, you know, doesn't know
doesn't know the scene is still going on.

It's like she starts talking about
social media and I was like, oh God.

Ben: Here's the, I love her motive.

As fun as the monologues are
I'm a big fan of the motive.

It's a great motive.

And again, this whole like, we want
a family member to be the vote.

It's, it feels a lot of like,
what if we did, what if we just

did a mulligan on screen three?

Like this was a good
idea for screen three.

So what if we just do it again for
scream four, but, but different,

well, yeah, no, I thought it's
different, but take it seriously.

But also to me, by far the best,
just Jill as villain scene wasn't her

monologuing or killing anyone else, it
was her like Edward Norton Fight Club,

recreating an entire scream finale,
move her, like both killer and victim.

Yeah.

Like when she's throwing herself
through the table, like, and jamming

the, like running into the wall
to stab herself in the shoulder.

Like, that's to like that is such a unique
fucking level of crazy in this phrase.

Yeah.

And is.

Jeremy: It's really good.

Which is why I, I was kind of annoyed
with the amount of talking she did

because the moment that she like, throws
herself into the picture and you're

like, God, where is she going with this?

And then like, it pulls back and
you see that there's a glass coffee

table in the middle of the room , and
you're like, oh, I know where this is

Ben: going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is is so perfect.

And then like she did all of
it in high heels time talking

.
Emily: Yeah.

So we should probably continue the recap.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Because we haven't even talked
about deputy d I could talk

Ben: about Kirby.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

This is been shit, shit.

We did not get very far.

We got to Kirby's introduction, this
whole thing about the fucking rails.

I love it.

Mix the match.

I

Emily: hope.

Jeremy, I hope you're making a real
good paella for Alicia for this one

Ben: yeah.

So meanwhile, Dewey, who is
now the sheriff, he's dealing

with teenagers doing pranks.

He's dealing with murderers in his town
and he is dealing with hey, thirsty deputy

by the name of Deputy Lemon Squares.

I mean, Judy meanwhile back at home,
Gail can't came up with any idea

for her book because she could only
profit off the blood of others.

we stand a true crime Queen , we
didn't get we tactally support Gail.

Yeah.

Well, yes.

I love

Emily: her very.

I'm, I'm very pro Gail.

Ben: I don't know why Gail isn't more,
if they're like the Megan style gay

icon sleigh, mother , feel like she
aspired to it, but just couldn't fucking

actually make, make the gay slave.

Jeremy: I mean, somebody had to exercise
her bangs from Scream three for her to,

Ben: that's my cannon Basical mostly off
of like scream three is that Gail thinks

she's a queer icon and gay people honestly
just fucking can't stand the gays

TJ: on Twitter like her.

But, you know, I don't know.

Outside of the internet,

Ben: I'm trying to think like in universe.

Okay.

You can't tell me that.

Like, that was an act of like, hmm,
no loving gay hairdresser would've

given her that screen three haircut.

But we do know David a has taken the
polish for that one and taken the blame.

we get some new uh, high school
characters like a pair of film club

nerds and Jill's ex Trevor, who
wants to get back together with her.

And then as news of the murders break
all the scream veterans break out into

full scream veteran mode, like Gail
starts investigating, Dewey starts being

an ineffectual cop and like, you know,
and Sydnee just keeps getting fucking

attached throughout the movie and
fights him off like a boss every time.

And also Cindy and Joe meet at the police
station and Kirby is shook cuz as we've

discussed, she is gay as walk or Cindy.

I mean,

Emily: so am I.

Ben: So I mean, honestly right there
with you, like just, oh my God.

Oh, Kirby my queen.

I can't, okay, where was I?

Fuck it.

, Kirby's gays over with her.

Kirby's gay.

And so are we the end?

Yes.

Sydnee stays over with her aunt in jail.

She has a nice little
heart to heart with Dewey.

And Trevor sneaks into Jill's
bedroom and does some Billy

Loomis parallel red herring stuff.

And then, you know, we get some like
weird Deputy Judy in the fucking shadows

doing some more red herring stuff.

Then we get aw boom.

Anthony Anderson and Adam Brody.

Fuck yes.

Are they discussing how much
they wanna fuck a teenager?

Yes.

Is it gross?

Sure.

Fucking it is.

They're cops.

So

Jeremy: that all checks out.

Ben: God checks out super hard.

We get some more ghost face calls
happening and the unimportant friend

gets stabbed so hard her guts fall out.

Possibly the glorious
killing the whole franchise.

Maybe.

Well, I'll, I'll to TJ on that.

It's pretty gory.

It's pretty gory, but there's,
I mean, we don't usually get

like the edge rails falling.

Emily: Yeah, there was the scene that
was cut from one of the versions of the

original screen where the boyfriends and
trails like all spill out of his stomach.

I

Ben: think

Jeremy: this was supposed to be like,
especially when Sidney runs in, it's

like, I feel like it's a deliberate homage
to Sidney's house and like the Yeah.

You know, the murder scene and
there when, uh, doesn't actually

die, but there's blood everywhere,

Ben: everywhere in that room to a degree
that I don't believe that much blood

could be in one person and I don't
understand how how you stabbed someone.

That's right.

That blood come out somewhere, everywhere.

That was that fucking in blood.

Jeremy: The hotter that the movie
says you are, the more blood you have.

. Yeah.

Yeah.

Proven by Johnny Depp and
Nightmare on Elm Street, you know?

That's right.

Yes.

Ben: I love that.

Says he

Jeremy: is just a fountain of blood.

TJ: I love that.

Sydnee is like a superhero by this point.

She just like, doesn't care.

She's running into save people sy

Ben: and Ghost.

Yeah.

She's ready downstairs.

She is ready to fucking throw hands
with ghost face at a moment's notice.

That

Jeremy: is the only part of this movie
that doesn't work for me because neither

of the people who are actually ghost
face in this movie show up looking

like Sydnee is duplex them downstairs.

Emily: They're teenagers.

They feel really fast.

They're like,

Ben: awesome.

Jeremy: Whoever fought Sydney
down the stairs in that

other house would be fucked.

Yeah, he mentioned

Ben: how

TJ: Hot Sydnee is and like
this is the Milia Sydnee.

I think she's just so hot and once
she gets in that blue cardigan at

Ben: the end like, like when Kirby is
just fucking gay panicking for Sydney.

Yeah.

It's relatable.

When

Jeremy: Kirby and Jill are looking out
the window and they're both like, oh no

horror stuff happening across the street.

And Sydnee is like, what?

Somebody's getting stabbed.

Fuck.

I'm going,

Ben: yeah.

About to go kick some
ass Sy rings into action.

This

Emily: is why you learn self-defense.

Sydney's story is the story of
when you learn self-defense.

Cuz she's using very practical
self-defense moves and automatically

she is the hero of this horror movie.

Ben: Meanwhile Alison Bree is
being like, we, blood money.

So Sydnee fires her for being a terrible
person and then Ghost face kills her in

a parking garage and throws her off a
roof and crushes a whole fucking van.

It rules just ruins.

Dewey's press conference.

I have to.

Jeremy: Terrible person, great agent.

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He gets a three book deal with
like a, a blank check contract for

her after like one person dies.

So like, yeah.

That's

Ben: so for the record if podcast
host starts fucking dropping , I now

know what to expect from my agent.

Like outta that.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Also, I'm glad debris isn't
heavy enough to break that Van

That's true.

Bounce off the top of it.

Ben: I'm not sure what would've been
better, what we got where the potty

just fucking demolishes the van.

Or what would've been better?

Just the body lands and
then just bounces right off.

Jeremy: You just see the
ghost face up on top.

Like

.
Ben: A good bounce would've been just
like pure, like a hundred percent good.

Like black humor,

Jeremy: As soon as she got killed
in the parking deck and I saw that

they were doing the police conference
right in front of the parking deck.

I was like, oh, I know
what's happening here.

Ben: Yeah.

Like what did they do?

Did they make like a very easily
collapsible van or were they just

throwing fucking Allison Brie
dummies off the roof being like,

Nope, this one wasn't heavy enough.

More.

Make me a heavier breed dummy.

Yeah, they got they more gravitas Alison.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: Y'all did you know that
for, to prepare this role?

Allison Brie put on a thousand pounds

Emily: She's just very dense.

Ben: That's why she do her own stunt.

Her own crushing the fan.

The fan stunt.

She really did that and she's a stunt.

Just fucking put Christian Bale to shame.

Get

Jeremy: it.

She went straight from this into glow.

That's why she's so good at wrestling.

Ben: Yeah,

Emily: and she's so dense.

She glows cuz she's a star.

I'm making a joke about
physics . Anyway, so she dies.

, I

TJ: think Ghost Face has some of
his best lines in this movie like.

, both of his phone calls
with Kirby are excellent.

Like she's excellent, but I
think his lines are just so good.

And like in this scene we're talking
about with Allison Bree, where

he is like, oh, you're not in,
like, I'll put you in the morgue.

It's such

Ben: a good line.

Well, can we talk about how the
friend, like, does the Ghost

Face Prank Co in the beginning?

Is this just the fucking standard feature
that phones have in this universe?

It's an app.

They say it's Yes.

Oh

Jeremy: yes.

Ghost Face App.

And then they don't do anything
with that in the rest of the movie.

Like they set that app and
then they're just like,

Ben: whatever.

This movie really likes to set things
up and then do nothing with them.

Yeah.

Emily: And like I have not
seen a Ghost Face App internet.

Well, I have things to say
about a lot of the, about the

internet in this movie, but can

Ben: let's go.

I do appreciate one voice and not
just like the straight up like tj.

Is it, which movie is it that just has
the Straight Up Magic Voice changer?

That's three.

TJ: That's the last one.

Ben: Yeah, that was three.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know what, I take it back.

That actually checks
out perfectly for three.

Yeah.

It's fucking Nod.

It's fucking nonsense.

But so is three.

And

TJ: I love, well, in real life we
don't have a Ghostface app, but in

the TikTok app they have the Ghostface
voice that reads what you type.

So you could always do that.

Yeah.

You've never heard it.

Ben: No.

Yeah, they have one for
Rocket, rocket Ghost character.

And the twist is that
they're gonna be the killer.

And that's gonna be the twist.

There's

Emily: can I get Ghost Space
to read my directions?

Ben: That would be amazing.

That Scream Talk.

There are actually multiple

Jeremy: apps.

Ben: What would that be like?

Ghost Turn Left.

You're Stupid Bitch.

Turn left directly into the morgue.

Yeah.

.
Emily: Listen, the way that the how
shitty a lot of those navigation apps are.

I would be unsurprised if Ghost
Face straight up just tried to

like roll my car off a cliff.

Ben: God, I, we are, I love how we're
getting through like one set scene

at a time on this fucking recap.

Listen, I don't blame us.

This movie's a delight and this is the
energy I want for the whole episode.

Never stop any of you.

Sounds good.

Okay.

Yes.

Meanwhile, can do uh, Kail and
Cindy go to the movie club because

they're like, we've done this.

Let's just ask movie nerds.

What the fuck's going on?

Kirby Gay panics, we get the rules about
the like, reboot of horror movies and

we learn about the stepathlon, which
everyone thinks will be a great place for

a finale because it's a bunch of teenagers
watching horror movies in the barn.

And there's the aforementioned incredible.

Like moment where they say that the only
way to survive is to be gay and they just

fucking smash cut of like, Kirby, just
look at it and say, me make an eyebrows.

Yeah.

It's like I don't wanna give them

TJ: credit because like, she's
not canonically queer, but like,

you know, it feels like they
were trying to do something with

Emily: it.

I fucking wish.

I fucking wish, but you

Ben: know what, it's a real haze.

Code.

Queerness.

Yeah.

Yes.

All right.

So, anyway, Gail goes to the
Sabbath and plants some cameras, oh.

Because there's this whole thing about how
it's like this time Ghost Face is making

their own movie, they're filming it that
will be in no way plot relevant at all.

Would actually probably work better
nowadays with YouTube and Twitch

and all, and TikTok and all that.

It was honestly probably a concept
a little before it's time in 2011.

But hey, I agree.

Scream is, scream is no stranger
to recycling its own idea.

So maybe it'll come back later on.

But anyway, Gail Plants her cameras.

Those are only relevant because
Ghost Face blocks them and then stabs

Gail when she goes to investigate.

But it's a shoulder stab,
so we know she's fine.

Meanwhile at Anthony Anderson and
Adam Brody conclude their cameo

by dying, and we get the immortal
final words of, fuck Bruce.

So that's fine.

Jeremy: Is a knife in the forehead

Ben: like Yeah.

To the brain.

To the brain.

Like that really fucks with me is when
it's stuff like to the brain and the

person's still like doing stuff, but
their brain's all fatally messed up dead.

Emily: Yeah.

Well, this part of your
brain, you don't use as much.

I think, I don't know.

I don't, I'm not a brain scientist.

Ben: What, what is that
being based off of?

Emily, I wanna dive into this.

TJ: Supposedly it's off a
real thing that happens.

Yeah.

I wanna know, but it's still really

Ben: silly when you Yeah, no,
I, I wanna go back to this.

Like, you can totally get stabbed in
that part of your brain and it's okay.

I learned it from the shadow.

Yes.

. It's real.

Jeremy: Sorry, did you say the

Ben: shadow?

No,

People have survived Absolutely.

Heinous brain injuries I feel
like it's a jump to go from

that to like, ah, you're fine.

Well, no, I mean, your brain can
have a little stabbing as a treat if

you just do it in the right place.

I

Emily: mean, they did do that as.

Of medical procedure for a while
it was a fucking shit show.

Ben: Anyway back to the recap where
ghost Face kills Jill's mom and

Sydnee ghost to Kirby's house where
the surviving teenagers are having a

really lame after party slash Okay.

Hangout.

They all get started at getting stabbed
to death cuz duh and Kirby get stabbed.

But she does.

But this film doesn't re, as we
discussed, this film doesn't reveal

it, but she does not die spoilers for.

A freeze frame on computer screen
on a screen from screen five.

And that is your one screen.

Five spoiler.

is a computer frame Easter egg.

Huh we even after an, after enough
stabbing happens, we eventually learned

that the Killers are long hair film nerd.

And Jill Jill wants to be
famous and is staging your own

reboot to be the new Sydnee.

And even man, just to stab Sydnee in
the gut she gets closer to killing

Sydnee than any ghost face up until
now has done so, so good for you, Jill.

Yeah, that's an accomplishment.

She kills her film to partner
because fucking obviously of

course that was gonna happen.

Even Sydnee is like, fucking,
what the fuck did you think?

Like , you say yourself,
you're the Stew . Yeah.

Yeah.

A last,

Jeremy: yeah.

Neither of the killers from Scream
One Survive which they all know, but

Rory Colgan does not think it through.

Charlie is the character's
name, I believe.

Yeah.

Charlie.

TJ: Yeah.

He was a sim

Ben: He sure was such a sim . I mean, his
motivation was the girl he liked didn't,

not even that the girl he liked didn't
like him back, that the girl he liked

didn't e didn't reciprocate fast enough.

Yeah.

He reasonably assumed
the girl he liked was gay

Emily: Yeah.

He should have like, put

Ben: the portion away correctly.

Assumed.

Yeah.

But look of, look, if Charlie stuck
around for a few more years, probably

would've figured some other stuff,
stuff out about herself as well.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's what we're going with.

We're going with the Charlie
is trans head cannon.

Yes.

I'm, I think there's something there.

I agree.

There's something there, but also oi.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, because this movie decided
it needed to be an hour 50 and fucking

in we need another finale as we go
to the hospital where Jill learns

that Sydnee has survived and gives
away a clue that she's the killer.

We get a big finale and Jill tries to
kill Sydnee and Gail and Dewey and Deputy

Lemon Squares all team up to stop her.

We get the absolutely brutal
death by defibrillator to

the brain followed by Bullet.

And the movie ends with
lenient question mark.

Moment of newscasters calling
Jill a hero, not knowing the

carnage that lays inside because

Emily: this hospital has no staff.

Ben: Yeah, there's, there's not a fucking
doctor or nurse in sight in this finale.

There's never people working.

If you heard all of

Jeremy: the stuff going on
in that room, Maybe you would

just stay at the desk anyway.

mean, like, I've heard multiple
gunshots, lots of stabbing going on

in there, so I'm gonna stay in here.

Ben: This is not a doctor
to be found in the icu.

Yeah.

And that's screen

Jeremy: four.

Yeah.

Also in all of that deputy Judy hops
gets gets shot and survives because

she's wearing a bulletproof vest
because she's a fucking police officer.

Nobody else has ever considered that.

Dewey has never put on a bulletproof vest

in

Ben: his life.

Dewey does not know that
bulletproof vest are a thing.

I think

Emily: Dewey just has a secret desire
to go out, you know, like he's part

Ben: of this, that we're going
with Dewey's, we're going with

Dewey's Secret Death Wish.

Emily: Yeah.

Like, I think Dewey is just
like, he's like Harrison,

Ben: he craves the sweet release of
death, but then the universe will just

not let him die no matter how many times
he gets stabbed after 10 years with Gail

Emily: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I think, I mean, I don't think
that's, that he has an issue with Gail

other than the fact that like Gail
is too good for him and he knows it.

Like she's way out of his league and he's
like waiting for that other shoe to drop.

And now he is like, you know, and I'm
sheriff now of this same little town

that like, whenever Neff Campbell
shows up, people start dying.

And you know, at least somebody
is starting to talk about

that part of this story.

Ben: I do have to say,

Jeremy: Alicia was watching this
with me and her reaction was

like, why haven't ghost face masks
been outlawed in this town yet?

They have a murder here, a whole
murder spree here every couple years.

And I was like, actually,
it's just the first one.

Cause the second one happens at college
and the third one happens in la.

So like, it's really just like,
Woodsboro has only really been

the state of one and four.

So like, this did happen one
time, like 10, 15 years ago at

this point in their timeline.

Emily: So like, I'm sure people put up the
masks and stuff and then nothing happens.

Mm-hmm.

, it's only

Ben: Campbell's there.

I do get how now time has now passed for
this generation to be like, this is a

movie franchise and part of just town lo

TJ: I missed at the
beginning on the poles.

Like that was a prank that the
kids did and hung up and like, they

do those stab athon every year.

So like, they're very,

Ben: I did have the first
thought, I'm like, this is a

little fucked up of the town.

I'm like, this is okay town.

This feels a little bad taste.

I'm like, oh, okay.

That's a, that's a prank.

That makes sense.

That checks out.

Yeah.

No, I always thought it was

TJ: like, I thought
the town had it up too.

And then I, I actually read this script
and I was like, oh, it was a prank.

Okay.

Ben: Yeah.

Yeah.

Does anyone else fucking a million
percent wanna see stab six.

Where Kristen Bell is the killer.

. Yeah.

Yes, absolutely.

Like holy shit.

I like, like I need that.

I need the Kristen Bell slasher
Villa and like also when she casual

Jeremy: stabs the other girl in
the stomach because she's annoying

Ben: her during the movie.

Okay.

What a fucking twist though.

That would be for a scream movie to
reveal the killer in the opening scene.

And then that like there
you have I, dramatic irony.

That would be very interesting.

Kill one of

TJ: the killers right away and then
try to figure out who else is a killer.

Ben: I'd love that.

Yeah.

Ooh, that'd be good.

Also, Kristen Bell saying Little
Asian Ghost Girls is such a

fucking Eleanor Shero moment.

, yeah.

Like the way she said like, delivery on
that was just so the good place there.

Emily: Okay.

Okay.

The, this movie, this is
screen four, came out in 2011.

The first screen movie came out in 1996.

Ben: Seven.

Yes.

Sure.

Six is 96.

Yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

Ben: So we have, I say more
than I say very confidently.

I believe that a hundred percent

Emily: sure.

So we have like 14 years and
which the world has seen.

Number of developments
including YouTube and 96.

Ben: Yeah.

Emily: Yeah, 96 YouTube smartphones.

Mostly like the cloud.

The cloud is a thing.

Facebook the movie, the social
network has been out for a

year when this movie is out.

And so you,

Ben: which again, boy, did we
fucking jump the gun on the

fucking Mark Zuckerberg biopic?

We sure did.

Emily: We sure did.

And no one learned anything , but so
this movie, you know, is supposed to

be like set in Presente, present time
and, and we're, you know, looking at

the Woodsboro, like however, like 12
years to 15 years after or whatever.

So the very little progress, however, has
been made in this world regarding people's

understanding of things, including,
but not limited to the internet.

The amount of times that fucking teenagers
in this film call it the net or cyberspace

or like, this is fucking hackers,
1995 level reference to the internet.

And I'm like, guys yeah.

I guess.

They gotta hack the planet.

But so there's the internet, which is
a part of this movie that is referred

to a lot, but never really utilized.

Ben: I'll forget that, like how much
of the plot of the first movie was

dependent on existing in this very
small window of time when cell phones

existed, but no one at any fucking way
to know like who was calling from it.

Yeah.

Emily: Yeah.

And there's a lot of stuff, like
all this, all the phones spoofing

Ben: in this cell phones
are calling, but no call.

Id fucking remember like, yeah.

I think it's Scream, is it Scream two I
Is it Scream two that like opens of like,

haha, call Id exists now, motherfucker.

Yeah, yeah.

Like that's the

Emily: opening of, of

Ben: Screen two.

Yeah.

I mean,

Jeremy: she won.

The fact that Billy has a cell phone
is like a big plot point in that movie.

Ben: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Like just him having a cell
phone is considered a clue.

I, y'all,

Emily: I didn't get a
cell phone until 2009.

Woo.

But I still knew YouTube.

Okay, so we have

Ben: the internet oh 5 0 6.

Yeah.

Emily: So also we have learned very
little about how law enforcement

works how security works.

Jeremy: Be fair.

The law enforcement part is
true of the real world even.

That's true.

Emily: That's true.

But I mean, like the, this movie
has no idea how law enforcement.

.
Ben: I do love the law enforcement, just
knowing they're just dead by default.

Listen, I think just knowing
there's no way they're fucking

making that out of this.

Emily: I think the fucking forensics
should have been either killed by

ghost face or have been ghost face.

Like they should just bring in like law
enforcement ghost face at this point.

Jeremy: Just want Dexter to be the,
the forensics guy in this movie.

I this is the right time for

Emily: Dexter.

Really.

That's true.

That's true.

We

Jeremy: also don't know how that could
be the Jay and Silent Bob of this

movie is if Dexter showed up swabbing,

Ben: I will never fucking stop arguing
that Jay and Silent Bob showed up

in the ghost faces of Scream three.

Emily: They should just be ghost
faces for every screen movie.

Subsequent to that, the second you
introduced Jane Silent Bob to the

franchise, you can't take that away.

That's fine.

Ben: This is like how I think Danny
Glover should have a different

role in every Predator movie.

Emily: Exactly.

And also if Kevin Williamson,
whatever, what is his name?

Kevin Williams.

Yeah.

Kevin

Ben: Williamson.

Williamson.

You had it, well, you
had it right, the, yep.

Emily: Yeah.

If Kevin Williamson can just be like,
you can be gay and survive a horror

movie and that's how it works, then
you can also say, Jay and Silent

Bob are now in every horror movie.

You know, and contractually
we would have to follow

Ben: that.

Well also, it's like again, like.

What movies?

Cause I get a lot of
the other reboot stuff.

Reboot, like general reboots were very
popular in the horror space of that time.

Yeah.

Like late two thousands, early 2010s.

You know, not even this kind of
like, you know, the kind of modern

revival reboot that you know, would
be come to the forefront later on.

Just a straight out reboot.

So that's what they were talking about.

Like, and hell, like Kirby has a
thing later on where she just lists

off, rattles off like a giant fucking
list of horror movies that had gotten

remakes in like, pretty recent years.

Yeah.

Um, What fucking in one of those movies
had a gay character that was prominent

and survived to base that rule off
of, we watched so many horror movies.

They don't have all this gay rep
that apparently that apparently

exists to make this rule.

Yeah.

Where's that?

Fuck Yeah.

He's just pulling that
rule out of his ass.

That is just, I'm like, yeah, PC.

I'm like, this is a time where
gay people are getting fucking

just murdered left and right.

Anytime like television shows
dain to admit they exist.

Emily: Yeah.

This is the reason that the
barrier gays trope exists.

Ben: Yeah, I think like, I think it's

Jeremy: true.

If the person comes out in the movie,
like if that's a plot point of the

movie as them coming out as gay, then
they're likely to survive because.

, that's a, like a trauma thing that they're
already dealing with, and they're probably

a central character at that point.

But if they're a gay friend,
they're never surviving.

That that is, yeah.

Especially at this point.

And still like two now it's
a issue with gay friends and

their boyfriends or girlfriends
getting dispatched on the regular

Ben: Wait, chapter two
motherfuckers . Right.

Well,

Emily: didn't someone come out in
that West Craven movie about the

Ben: werewolves curse?

Every werewolf movie is kind
of about coming out . I don't

Jeremy: think anybody comes out
in curse, but Curse is very gay.

No,

Ben: there's guy comes out so speak the
GoPro nerd being, I'm gay, if it helps,

does not count as a queer character.

Absolutely not.

No.

Absolutely not.

That, not even a, a fucking little bit.

You know, I think it's, I

Jeremy: think it's funny that
that character can't commit to it.

To save it.

Like literally to save his

Ben: life.

TJ: Yes.

His name just came to me like a vision.

It's Robbie

.
Ben: Oh, Robbie.

Of course.

Because to me, what does make that scene
is Ghost Face does legitimately hesitate.

It's like, oh, I'm like, I'm doing a lot
of as murder, but I don't want people to

think I'm homophobic, , like I want
murder, but I don't wanna get canceled.

So

Emily: Let's take this from the top.

This movie in 2011, Woodsboro and the
screen franchise has learned very little

about the internet, how law enforcement
works, how security works, how having

a gun can easily subdue both multiple
assholes with each with one knife.

Teenagers, cuz teenagers are
all the same in these movies.

And finally, woman . I was hoping
that like, there would be a

little bit of progress about, you
know, just the woman character or

just the characters in general.

Like, there's certain characters
should be static, like Dewey.

And you know, Gail has been
through some, and, and Sydney

does have a little bit of an arc.

Ben: Dynamic

Jeremy: the same arc as
any Kelly Clarkson song.

Emily: Yes.

Ben: But compared

Jeremy: to the other Charact
shirts off not strong.

And every a, every, every end of the, the
song, she's stronger than she was before.

Ben: It's like, first one is boyfriend
betrays, her second one is boyfriend.

Betraying her is the big red herring,
like right up until the reveal.

Right.

Third one

Jeremy: is the only reason
the boyfriend is there at all.

He sucks.

Ben: Third one is, yeah, a brother she
did not know exists or even meet in

the movie right up until the reveal.

I'll never, I can't get over that.

Like Sydnee and the killer in three do not
share a single scene until the reveal it.

It's amazing.

Yeah.

Uh, Which again is why I say so much
of like, I think they really looked and

they thought like, wow, like from a true
patho standpoint, we botched Cindy being

betrayed by a family member, you get more
heart to heart with Dewey, but it really

feels like they try to really create
this relationship and this bond and this,

you know, generational understanding
between Cindy and Jill to like kind

of give her that connection that could
then be ripped away by Jill's betrayal.

She even

Jeremy: thinks she saves
Jill's life a couple of times.

Like, you know, when she helps Jill
down off the roof and then is like, oh,

keep running Jill, like under the bed.

And, you know, pretends to also
her instructions to run away.

Ben: I have a theory about one reason
why Kirby lived and it's because

literally the first moments that Jill is
on screen is her going to Kirby's car.

And Kirby says like, like before
you get in the car, you have

to promise not to kill me.

Yeah, that is literally the
first line someone speaks to

Jill in the movie foreshadowing.

So to me I didn't even, that was,
I didn't even, that was I, because

I watched that on a rewatch.

So that was something I
absolutely did not pick up.

First time around.

Second time around.

Super picked it up

TJ: and she made Charlie do it.

So I guess she kind of kept her word

.
Ben: Yeah.

Again, it doesn't hold up entirely.

also,

Jeremy: Robbie is crash of crashing
the boys and Scott Pilgrim versus the.

It's the same actor.

Mm-hmm.

, which I did not realize until just now.

he was in

TJ: saw too, too.

Yeah.

. That's what I know.

Ben: Was that a loving thing?

Like what's going on that movie?

Just fucking haen.

Just shots at saw.

TJ: I think it was just the time period.

Like, that

Emily: shit was weird though.

People hate it at all.

People I, I was watching it and
my friend Carissa, who's sitting

next to me, he was like, oh, the
size isn't scary, it's just gross.

And then a second later, that's what the
character said, yeah, which I'm like,

I don't know how I feel about this.

Ben: I'm just imagining being like,
I don't know, like the, one of

the, the makers of saw war going
in, I'm like being like, oh boy,

I sure love the screen movies.

And seeing that being like, oh yeah.

Jeremy: Crying into his piles of money.

Ben: oh, James one was way miles away
from that franchise by fucking sophomore.

Yeah.

TJ: No, I love the soft franchise.

Like, I think in, in that year
and one onward, and probably

just around in general, like.

As I'm sure you know, like
the general consensus of saws,

like, oh, it's torture porn.

And you know, even the fan base
probably around the fourth one

where like, oh, it's gonna be

Ben: a little too, I get it.

I get that it's mostly torture porn,
but have you considered sometimes that

torture porn happens to Donnie Wahlberg?

Yeah.

And I enjoy it.

? Yeah.

I, I enjoy seeing bad things
happen at Donny Walberg.

TJ: In response to what you said
earlier, Ben, about the remake motive.

And then the if you're
gay, you might survive.

These are the two things I wanna touch on.

Yes.

Um, So the motives I love, I love
like re as many things you like,

Ben: talk about as many
things about scream.

Thank you.

You can touch on one or two.

TJ: No, no, no.

These are the two.

In my mind I'm like, all
right, I have to say this.

The remake commentary, like, I love it
that it's poking fun at all the remakes

of the time and is like saying, Oh, you
thought we were gonna do the remake with

Jill, but really, you know, she's evil.

I love that.

It's like, it's scream four in disguise,
like, I mean, it has the four in the

title, but like, it makes you think
it's doing a remake to a degree.

And I love that.

It's just like, no, we're not gonna
kill Sydnee, we're not gonna kill Gail.

We're not gonna kill Dewey.

Like this is still their movie.

So like, on one side I think that could be
like a lack of balls because they didn't

commit to moving the franchise forward.

But I love that it was like a
fake out and I don't know, I

just think it's really clever.

Ben: And again, I really enjoy
scream Five and I, you know, and

the presence of Kevin Williamson's
continued involvement definitely gives

the continuing movies legitimacy.

I do think, I wouldn't be surprised.

I do think there could be interpretation.

I'm just seeing Scream four as the
definitive end of the franchise.

If only by virtue of it being the
last one directed by Wes Craven.

And I,

TJ: someone said like, Sydney's story
arc, like really ends in chapter three.

So like, uh, she really doesn't have a arc
here because you know, it was completed.

So I kind of look at this
one as like a bridge between

Ben: Yeah, the original trilogy,
you're right, like three really is the

one that gives us the character arc
of her being in total seclusion and.

Opening her life to Detective Mc Wes' face
and friendship Detective, not appearing.

I know she's doing Yeah,

.
TJ: He was supposed to, he was gonna be
the opening kill at one point they were

Ben: gonna be married.

Oh.

Oh man.

Oh wow.

TJ: But that leads me to my other point,
which was Kevin Williamson did write many

drafts of the script, but, and he had a,
an original idea, which was that Joe was

gonna get away with it at the very end
and it would end at the house and they

would all just be on the ground, possibly
dead, and there would be a survivor.

We wouldn't know who.

And even that, I think was a
later draft, but like he always

wanted Jill to get away with it.

And this would lead into his scream
five where it would be Jill is the

protagonist and we know she's the
killer and then someone finds out

and starts targeting her and we have
a ghost face versus a ghost face.

Like, anyway, that obviously, yeah.

It

Ben: would've been so fun.

That would've been so cool.

Yeah.

That would've been, yeah.

I

TJ: dunno if it would've worked
as, For the general public,

but I would've loved that.

And obviously the studio didn't want that
because they wanted to rewrite it, bring

Sidney more into it and make her focus.

And by the end, Kevin Williamson
completely left the project and they

brought in the writer of Scream three to
do a draft of the script, and he wrote

the entire hospital scene at the end.

So one of my favorite parts
of the film is when Jill says,

like, Sydnee, this is silly.

The ending of the movie
was at the house, like

It's funny cause that's literally

Ben: what happens with real life . Yeah.

I mean, I will say there is like, there
is a bit of ending fatigue where it's

like, okay, Weathon, but oh, okay.

No, it's at the house.

Okay, now it's at the hospital.

Like there it is a little too much finale.

Yeah,

TJ: there's a, there's a
lot and I love it all, but

Ben: it's a lot.

Yeah.

Again, like I, I think they're
God go say there's, go say so.

It's so interesting.

you see, I think he got, it's gotta
be like the right ghost face for that.

And I don't think if you actually
killed off Sidney, I don't think

there's any way audiences could
have then like, been rooting for.

Right.

And like,

TJ: like Kevin's original vision.

Was like Sydney was barely in four,
and then she like had no idea about

the Jill stuff and she would be
in five, but as like a professor.

So like, his vision was
very different from what

Ben: we ended up with.

Oh, that's very

TJ: different.

Yeah.

Um, and my point here is
to bring it back to the

Ben: gay,

you have to be gay.

Do you have a Yeah.

Yes.

,
TJ: I don't know if he wrote
it because he didn't write

the final draft of the script.

So like, yeah.

Someone else could have
plugged that line in there.

I don't know.

Emily that you were saying that
they didn't utilize the internet

found footage thing enough.

Oh yeah.

And like I really wish they
would've done more with that.

Like my head cannon is that someone
leaked their footage that they recorded.

But cuz I'm like otherwise
like, what was the point?

Yeah, yeah,

Ben: exactly.

So have y'all seen the
trailer for scream Six?

No.

TJ: Many times.

Ben: I will say I am
not knowing what it is.

Like my theories is that given the
new setting, it could really lend

itself to like, you know, discussions
about like, you know, fandoms as mass

movements or channels and followers.

Like again, I'm hoping that that
technology continue, like plays a

more intrinsic role in Yeah, the plot.

like, what do you think?

Like what, what are the ones
that really focused on tech?

Like, I feel like one was the one
that really focused on technology.

TJ: Three had the voice changer.

,
Emily: I think that if, because the
whole root of the scream, the original

scream was that it was a meta movie.

Right?

And so they keep trying to do
this meta thing and that's cool,

but they don't quite get there.

Jeremy: Having never seen this
movie before, I had a theory at

one point in it about like, who the
killer was that I liked better than

the eventual revelation, which was
that it was the entire film club.

Like Yeah.

That the whole film club, you know,
were sort of these , these unfeeling

horrible teenagers that exist in
the Scream Universe that they were

all like, let's all make this movie.

And they were like,
they all know the rules.

They, in, they introduced the fact
that there's this whole classroom

full of kids that come to this film
club, that know all about the stab

movies in Sydney and everything.

And the idea that like, you don't
have just one or two ghost faces,

but like a dozen ghost faces Yeah.

That are all these like
teenage kids working together

to do this shit like that.

I liked

.
Emily: Yeah.

That was a, that's a good idea.

That's like when I thought that Scream
Three was gonna be like some sort of

weird Truman show situation with Sid
and they were just like trying to set,

Ben: sit up one guy, not the one guy
Nonsensically doing it all himself.

Yeah.

TJ: That was a great idea, by the way,

Ben: Emily.

Oh yeah.

I explain.

Thank you.

TJ can attest to this because.

TJ was there one of, like my very
first watch through of this movie

my prediction, I had the right
motivation, but the wrong suspect.

I thought it was Jill's
aunt, or Jill's mom.

I thought it was her too.

Emily: For a second.

For like a hot second.

Ben: Yeah.

because when I, it was when
she was being like, no one ever

asked me about like my scars.

Like, yeah.

There was like a jealousy there.

I'm like, Ooh, I'm seeing like seeds.

Anyway, she ended up taking a
fucking knife to the neck that

didn't end up mattering at all.

Jeremy: Jill's mom, I think
is a real missed opportunity.

That should have been Jennifer
Coolidge in that part.

I'm just saying, oh my God.

Can

Ben: you imagine?

TJ: Absolutely.

Jeremy: I was watching this
character and I was like, this

should be Jennifer Coolidge.

Ben: I'm really hoping that the screen
franchise lasts long enough that

eventually they said to do another one.

They're like, what if we
did a three throw back?

It just got real goofy
again, just for one, actually

Emily: introduce time Travel.

Ben: Yeah.

Like what if we actually did, oh my God.

I say it every episode into the
scream of verse, all the Ghost faces.

Team up.

We must assemble all of the ghost
faces to make the Ghost face Army.

Emily: Yeah.

The one thing about this movie
that, I mean, there's a lot of

things as I have said, but this
movie is so full of red herrings,

it was like a fucking fish market.

Ben: Deputy Judy is just bathed
in shadows being shady and shit.

Yeah.

At the, her and Cindy's
high school connection.

Yeah.

Emily: And it, there's a point in that
where I stopped caring, you know, like

there's a point where I'm like, it's
gonna be somebody you know, and, and

at one point I was convinced it was
Kirby because she said the word router

and I'm like, only the killer in this
movie knows enough about technology that

they actually know what a router is.

Ben: She's just gay.

like I, I really thought it
was Kirby, or Kirby was one of

the killers for a long time.

Like a, she has the classic, like she
is a horror film buff loves horror

films, which is yeah, honestly a red
flag of a, a motivation right then and

there for a killer in these movies.

And also the other thing, Usually
um, one of the biggest red flags for

being the killer in this franchise.

She was the biggest celebrity.

Emily: That's true.

Yeah.

Ben: She was the biggest, and they
usually let the biggest star be the one

who gets to go absolutely fucking ham
wild and chew the scenery as the killer.

But Rory

Emily: Colgan did get to chew a little
bit, like right, right at the end that

he was like, oh shit, I'm going out.

All right.

.
Ben: And then his,

Jeremy: in the heart
bit was like, very good.

Yeah.

.
TJ: Yeah.

I think it's weird that Sydney's
mother had a sister that we never heard

about until this movie, and like the
last movie was all about her mother

no one thought to talk to her

Emily: sister at any point.

Yeah, I, there's a lot of things
about, I mean, that's, that feels

normal to me in a screen movie

Jeremy: when became an actress
on cocaine constantly, my sister,

Ben: my sister, did I ever
tell you about the secret son?

She gave up . I mean,

Jeremy: I'm telling you, if
that casting is there, if it's

Jennifer Coolidge, Perfect sense.

It makes perfect sense.

Ben: Yes,

TJ: absolutely.

Aw, absolutely.

She was supposed to be like an
alcoholic and have a lot more to do,

so like Jennifer Coolidge would've been
perfect, and just her saying, oh my God.

Did you ever hear about, did I ever
tell you about your mom's boss son?

Would've been hysterical.

Yes.

Ben: Yeah.

th That's why I need the Scream
three throwback, so we can have

like Jennifer Coolidge just carrying
on the legacy of Parker Posey.

TJ: Can she play the grandmother?

Is she that old ? Or maybe
there's another sister

Emily: or . They just make stab movies.

You just start making the Stab movies.

,
Ben: all of the Stab movies.

Emily: Yes.

They just start getting the stab
movies, like they finally release them.

They make them, and they release

TJ: them.

That'd be happy.

Dumb.

Yeah.

Ben: I really think we just start
bringing in like fucking, just

like detective characters into it.

Emily: I mean, if they're gonna name
Drop Shit, also did anyone else just

wanna watch Shawna The Dead instead?

Because they, they spent a

Ben: lot of time.

I do love Shawna The Dead.

Have we never done Shawn at
the Dead on this podcast?

Not yet.

What the fuck is wrong with

Emily: us?

?
TJ: So where does this one rank
for you all in your screen films?

Jeremy: I would say second.

Right behind the first one.

TJ: Hey,

Emily: okay.

This one's third.

That's fair.

One screen three, screen
four, or screen two.

Ooh, I

TJ: forgot you liked screen three so much.

Emily: I, it's not a good
movie, but I enjoyed it.

Yeah, Parker Posey was in it.

Jeremy: Parker Poseys great in it.

Otherwise I part

Ben: disaster.

I think

TJ: that movie's hilarious.

The Parker Posing Scream

Jeremy: and the scene where a ghost
face faxes a threat to blow up that

.
Ben: Yes,

Emily: yes.

Ben: Precisely.

Just operate on the whole
other fucking wavelength.

Yeah.

Um, my personal enjoyment rankings
is 1, 3, 4, 2, my best, like who

done it mystery aspect, I would
probably say is like 1, 4, 2, 3,

Jeremy: yeah.

1, 4, 2, 3 is my ranking period.

Like, that's the order I like them in.

TJ: Nice one and four, like tied
for me, like enjoyment four.

But like one is classic and just as good,

Ben: obviously,

will my rankings change after we
talk about five ? Probably because

we're adding a new one to the list.

I

TJ: think six is gonna be amazing.

Six in many ways looks like it's
gonna be a, a scream for like sequel.

It looks like it's gonna be a
sequel to like all of them, which

is really different cuz we've
never really had that before.

And like, I, I wanna go back to
what Emily said about like, this

movie really didn't have any
progression in the narrative at all.

And like, I, I can totally see
watching that now and knowing

there's more films and being like,
what was the point of this movie?

Yeah.

And it's weird to me that like when
it was made they wanted to do a

four, five, and six and then, you
know, what Kevin Williamson wanted

to do obviously wasn't gonna happen.

So it's like all, what was this movie
setting up then in terms of a trilogy?

And it just feels like a
standalone, like it felt like a

last hurrah to me for a while.

So like, that's why it has such a
special place in my heart I think.

Cuz it was just really fun to
see the characters older and,

you know, doing their thing.

But I, I agree.

Like it doesn't really progress anything.

Emily: It's like the
alien three of Scream.

Yeah, some, and I

Ben: say there's something to be said for.

The last West Craven movie of the series.

Yeah, yeah,

TJ: yeah.

So, so yeah, I'm excited to see six.

Like the tagline for this movie was,
oh my God, new Decade, new Rules.

And the one for six is
New York New Rules and

Ben: Kirby.

But they made up the rules.

They made the rule was that
you, you survive if you're gay.

But also we have no
canonically gay characters.

And also we made up that rule.

Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think it's

Ben: New York, new rules,
new movie, new rules.

That's, I like that.

Yeah.

Again, I am very excited to see
what they do with urban horror.

Me too.

Yeah.

I'm excited for Ghost Face in
Subways, bodegas, dark alleyways

and streets and stuff like that.

Like the possibility that like, again, it
looks like it's gonna be set on Halloween.

How many people are G Ghost face
killers and how many people are just

film fans dressed as ghost face?

I think we

TJ: get at least three killers
in this new movie coming out.

I want something different.

Emily: Yeah, we should, I think
we're owed something different.

Just my, in my humble opinion,

TJ: And this isn't a spoiler, but
like, and some of the promo stuff,

Kirby has like an F B I badge and
a gun, so like, I like knowing

where she went after this movie.

So I'm just so excited to see her.

Ben: Oh yeah, big hopes for Kirby
Justice for She better be Gay.

Yeah.

.
Jeremy: I would say it's safe
to say that we all recommend

people check this one out, right?

Sure.

There's

Ben: no, there's, I mean, look, if you're
a fan of this screen franchise, like

sure, you can say like, nothing happened.

But none of them are
escapable, I don't think.

I think they're all like, if you wanna
watch the series, watch the series.

TJ: If you like to scream
one, watch this movie.

Or if you're just a Hayden Pener
or Emma Roberts fan, I think

Emily: this movie is more more
of a like "screa-quel" than this.

The scream too is

Ben: look, I mean it's, you know, it's
another entry in the whodunit, you

know, scream A Kni is in a mystery.

That was good.

Jeremy: Thank you.

I think it's more of a
sc-remake than a screa-quel

Ben: I know that was
gonna be a little weird.

I a scre-boot.

TJ: Yeah.

I just love that it says you
cannot do a scream remake.

So when they announced a Scream
five, my first thought was it can't

be a remake because A, doing that
after Scream four would be insane.

Yeah, well, I mean,

Ben: who knows?

All I'll say is that uh, this is
a franchise that has never shied

away from just recycling itself.

Uhhuh.

Now

Jeremy: Let me ask you, TJ, temporarily,
as in when they were made, the next

thing that comes out named Scream is the
TV show, which I haven't seen at all.

Have you seen the TV show at all?

Yes.

Is the TV show at all related?

Is it like Cannon to the series at all?

Or it's just a whole

TJ: different thing?

Absolutely

Ben: not.

No, they not, wasn't it, they didn't
even have the rights to use the

actual ghost face mask, so they
actually use a different mask.

TJ: That's correct.

So the first two seasons of the
Scream TV show are like its own thing.

It's not even Scream,
like it just has the name.

And then it did so poorly that
they rebooted it with season three.

So season three is like a
miniseries, it's its own thing.

And it was a big deal at the time
because they got the rights to the

Ghost face mask and they got Roger L.

Jackson to come on to voice the character.

But it still has nothing to
do with the screen movies.

Like, it's a completely different world.

Like s like as far as I know, Sydnee never
happened in the, in that universe either.

So like, Season three was okay.

It, it did a lot with like people of
color and tried to do commentary on

like POC and horror movies, but like
overall it wasn't very well written.

And in my opinion, the
first two seasons are ass.

So

Jeremy: yeah.

You know, as there's so much
scripted M T V program is known,

programming is known for being great.

TJ: Hey, teen Wolf, the
movie comes out tomorrow.

,
Ben: as of recording, all I know is
that it doesn't have the character

that is everyone's favorite character.

This is true.

Jeremy: Well on that front, since
uh, it doesn't sound like you would

recommend the TV show, what would
you recommend people checkout?

Tj

.
TJ: I did not prepare an answer for this.

Can I go last?

Sure.

Okay.

Ben: Uh, Emily, it's your turn.

Three to five.

Emily: So I, if you're into the weird,
like trying to make money off of people's

trauma thing and you want something that's
like pretty crazy and also with woman

I finally checked out Yellow Jackets.

I've only seen the first
episode, but I feel like that is

Ben: oh.

Yellow Jackets is awesome.

Oh, hell yeah.

Yellow jacket jackets

Emily: and it also has the nineties
thing and then, you know, but it's like,

Ben: uh,

yellow Jackets is like if
Stephen King and Lost Had a baby.

Emily: Yeah, sure.

I mean, I haven't seen
Lost, but it's also,

Jeremy: also pre,

it's co-created by Karen Kama.

Several of the episodes
are directed by Harris.

So if you like Jennifer's body,
you know, that's, that's a

recommendation there as well.

Yeah.

Emily: So, it's got Id stuff in fact,
much of it refers to the year 1996.

It's got the characters of Past
and Future, you know, it's, and

it's got the commentary about
you know, true crime, disaster

tourism and all that kind of stuff.

And then I also want to recommend,
if you like, movies that are

about Slashers, but if the, in
this case, the slasher is sexism

Ben: men uh, about this

Emily: a 20 fours Men,

Ben: A 24, yeah.

This movie Saucy

Emily: Devil.

It is very saucy.

You know, like what if instead of
Ghost Space, a town full of Ghost

Space, it was a town full of Admiral
Badminton and they were all giving.

I'm not going to spoil it, but there's
a lot of badm mittens and they all suck

Jeremy: and yeah, not just 8 24.

It's written and directed by Alex Garland.

So like, yes, imagine the guy
who directed Ex Machina and

Annihilation doing a slasher.

TJ: Yeah, it got weird.

Ben: Wow.

Wow,

Jeremy: wow, wow.

It gets real weird.

Yeah,

Emily: it gets very strange.

TJ: The last like five minutes
I was sitting in the theater and

I was like, can I just leave?

Emily: I was here for that shit,
you know, I was, it's too weird

for me 500% here for that shit.

Like

TJ: the, I'm so happy

Ben: for you.

Emily: Yeah.

The the like the fifth badminton
that crawled out, listen, I was like,

Jeremy: you're just watching it now.

You're just watching it now.

But I distinctly remember within the first
two minutes after I finished that movie,

I , I texted you specifically Emily.

Oh really?

Have you seen men You should watch Mitten.

? I don't

Ben: remember

Emily: that, but now I'm
like, yes, absolutely.

You should have been texting me.

Jeremy: Yeah, the combination
of like, just the weird imagery

shit that's going on there.

The like Celtic paganism
elements that are in there.

The just the Alex Garland shit that, like
echo of her you know, making noise in

the tunnel that just keeps popping back.

It's like, it's so Alex Garland.

Emily: It is all the best.

It is all the best Alex
Garland that you can get.

And you know, and if anybody
suggests, that's very good.

If anybody suggests that you watch the
movie Antichrist, just watch this instead.

Unless you wanna see the dick
that supposedly belonged.

It actually doesn't belong to a
Defo because his dick is too big.

Ben: Preposterously.

Confoundingly

Emily: large.

I thought it was Distractingly large.

Ben: Yes.

Distracting you.

Distractingly large.

Okay.

Oh, that's why they had to
cut him out of Aquaman too.

Jeremy: Okay.

Ben, what

Ben: have you got?

If you want a movie about a lady
trying to steal another lady's life

and you want it to be some like
thrillery stuff check out 1990 twos.

Single white female.

Oh

Emily: yeah.

Ben: Yeah.

I hate to dig deep to remember that one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm like, fucking suburbs, white ladies.

One of the thrillers.

What do we got?

What do we got?

What do we got?

Uh, Ooh.

Single white female.

And that was that thought
process that led to that.

That's valid.

Jeremy: Yeah.

The talented Ms.

Ripley, you know, . It was
way before talented Mr.

Ripley, at least the film.

Anyway, but um, alright, I have, I have
two things I wanna recommend because

one of them I haven't actually seen,
but is thematically goes with this and

the other one doesn't go with it at all.

But I have seen it Kevin Williamson just
wrote a horror movie for the first time

since Scream four that just came out.

It is called Sick.

It is on Peacock right now.

It is a pandemic related horror movie.

Like it happens during the,
you know, 2020 pandemic.

Seems to really like take a pi,
take the piss out of that stuff

and have a good time with it.

It looks fun.

I haven't had a chance to
watch it yet, but I liked it a

TJ: lot.

Jeremy: It was good.

Yeah, I figured it, it looks fun.

It's definitely something that I, I
think people who are really into Scream

at least will want to check that out
for the Kevin Williamson Pen script.

The other thing I want to recommend is
something incredibly dumb that I got into

this last week, which is also on Peacock.

It is a reality TV series
called The Traders.

It is about a group of
people, some of whom are.

Previous reality TV stars, some
of whom are just normal people who

are just getting on this reality
TV show for the first time who are

they're all staying in a castle.

And most of them are faithful.

They're just normal people
trying to get by in this.

And they choose three people at
the beginning to become traitors.

And their job is to murder somebody
every night and, you know, cover

their tracks and not get uncovered.

So it's a little bit werewolf.

It's a little bit among us set
in a Scottish castle where they

have to do like reality TV show
challenges in the middle of it.

But the real, the real quality of this, it
is hosted by Alan Cumming in a progression

of more ridiculous plaid outfits.

So like, he's got capes, he's got
jackets and comfort buns, and like his

hams and suits and everything get more
ridiculous and more plaid every time.

And he's really just like playing this
murder mystery thing for all it's worth.

And even if there wasn't like
this fun reality show thing going

on, it would be worth watching
just for Alan Cumming chewing the

scenery as much as he possibly can.

Throughout the course of this mo this

Ben: show, you have had me at Alan Cuming.

Yeah.

Jeremy: Yeah.

It's 10 episodes.

It could stand to be a little bit shorter,
but it's worth watching for what's there.

And uh, the actual like
gameplay and mystery part of

it is, is pretty fun as well.

But yeah that's something I people should
probably check out for just mindless

entertainment and just to watch Alan
coming, come down the stairs every morning

in his wild outfits and just like raise
an eyebrow to the camera as he walks in.

Like, yeah, I'm doing this , this
is what I'm wearing today.

Emily: we getting Alan coming as Dr.

Who

?
Jeremy: It'd be

Ben: fantastic.

I mean, I'm gonna say never, because
there's no way the BBC can afford him.

Jeremy: I'm sad.

I know he hangs around
there a lot already.

.
Ben: Yeah.

I mean an episode definitely,
but just not the doctor.

He's just like, I think he
definitely get him for like,

Jeremy: they're like,
which doctor are you?

He's like, I'm the 69

They'll never, they'll never actually
get to him in continuity, but, oh.

But yeah, check out the traders.

Uh, TJ did you

TJ: come up with something?

I did.

I I always like hearing you guys
first, cuz then I get ideas.

. Emily mentioned a 24, so that made
me think of body's bodies, bodies.

Have there any of you seen that one yet?

No.

No,

Jeremy: but I think we're
gonna do that one for pride.

TJ: Okay, good.

So that one, like, I'm recommending
that one because it's a

whodunit, but it is modern day.

So it's, it is commentary
on like youth of today.

So like, we kind of talked about that
with the characters in this film.

You know, we're, we were saying that
they sucked and were evil in this movie.

And you know what the body's,
body's, body's message is kind of

the same but very fun and funny.

. And then also Ash versus Evil Dead,
I think has a very similar vibe.

So it's like the classic franchise, but
they brought back Bruce Campbell and

it was so just like his last hurrah.

And it's very fun, the TV show.

So I highly recommend that too.

And of course, just, this is a super
basic answer, but Scream five, because

I think Scream Five has a very similar
concept to Screen four, but executes

it in a completely different way.

So, if you didn't find Scream
Four satisfying, I think

Scream Five would be your

Ben: thing.

I'm definitely very excited for
us all to get back together and

me talking about Scream Five.

Hell yeah, me

TJ: too.

Jeremy: Yeah, I think think we'll
be doing that in a couple of months.

Yay.

Yeah I'm excited to check out Scream
Five and Scream Six when that happens.

And yeah, Ashford's Evil Dead is much more
fun than the Evil Dead remake, so, ah,

TJ: yes.

I do love the remake as a remake, but like
the show is so much better and so fun.

Oh

Ben: my God, I love the
First, I love Asher Dead.

It's amazing,

TJ: especially the first,
the Sydney of that franchise.

Jeremy: Yeah, I'm, I'm not a fan of
the remake for reasons that take a long

time to get into, but uh, I, it's just.

I love it.

It's the Jeff John's
version of Evil Dead Fair.

What if you took everything that
was fun about the original and

made it gritty and horrible?

?
TJ: It was my first Evil Dead
movie as a teenager and I was

like, oh, this was so good.

Let me go check out the others.

And then I realized they were very
different and like, and it, it came out

like right after a cabin in the woods.

So like the fact that it worked
for me after a cabin in the

woods, I was like, oh, okay.

I like that.

I mean,

Jeremy: I'm sure if it's like, I'm sure if
you were a kid and one of the first like

big comics you read was Identity Crisis,
you would come away from that being

like, oh, identity crisis is so good.

But like as a person who enjoys any of
those characters and has read any of

the other ex existing stuff about them,
if you read identity crisis, you're

like, who the fuck are these people?

Cuz they're certainly not the guys that
have been appearing in my comics for

TJ: 80 years.

And again, like in The Evil Dead
franchise didn't really match the

same tone, but like as its own thing.

Like, I like it.

I'll fight you about
Halloween ends and Evil Dead

Jeremy: Time.

Your reasons for liking Halloween
ends make perfect sense to Yeah.

Okay, good.

It's, oh yeah, I don't like
Halloween three either.

And I accept that a lot of
people like that movie Season

of The Witch not My Thing.

TJ: Never seen it.

I'll Halloween are terrible,
very gay in my opinion, so I

Ben: enjoy it.

It'll be a fun one to talk about.

Eventually.

I get there's a lot of shitty,
there is a lot of shitty horror

sequel equals We have avoided.

Jeremy: Yeah.

We still, I'm looking forward to it.

We still gotta talk about the
dream warriors at some point

before we get to, you know, leader.

Ben: The thing is, we just can't
fucking mainline slash like we

can't do slasher month anymore.

Yeah.

Like four in a row.

Fucking broke us.

Can't be

Jeremy: doing it.

Right.

Record for Kronenberg though.

Ben: Like, God.

Yeah, but that broke me.

Yeah.

No, not

Emily: me.

The body were a weirdo.

I was like nah, I'm gonna watch
movement for like the rest of my life.

TJ: By the

Ben: time

Jeremy: we to fourth enjoyable
for the, like, I was like, this

doesn't really bother me anymore.

Ben: happening.

Might be fun for the audience,
but look, I, I hope that the theme

mums are fun for you, the audience
because the psychic damage they take

on us, the host is pretty immense.

Jeremy: I think it was actually a good
idea for us to end with the brood on

David Kronenberg because the brood
is so sideways from everything else.

It's just like, what the fuck?

TJ: Dave . Yeah.

Guys' gotta do a saw too.

That's one.

Tell us how you

Emily: really feel, Dave.

Jeremy: Yeah, we've, we've done
the first saw saw, so some, one

of these days I did it with you.

Ben: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes.

. We will do a song.

We just can't have it be like, all
right y'all, who's ready for saw

four, like Halloween, six, and like
Jason thinks Manhattan all in a row.

That'll fucking, that's fair.

Destroy us.

Jeremy: All right.

So, uh, let's, let's wrap this up.

TJ can you let people know where they
can find out uh, more about you and,

and what you do and where they can find.

TJ: Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at
troy Finn two, where I talk about all

things book related and queer related.

I am an official librarian now, so
if you ever need a good book rec or

a congratulations, queer book Rec.

Thank you.

You can hit me up on Twitter anytime.

I also talk about Batman quite often.

You can find me over on Gotham, outsiders
on Twitter, or on any podcast provider.

Think that's the right word.

Yeah, where we talk about Batman
and make it queer and feminist.

I do that with my cohost Chris,
friend of his pod as well.

And yeah, hit me up anytime I
go on other shows all the time.

I talk about skins, horror,
all sorts of things.

So hit me up.

Jeremy: Absolutely.

As for the rest of us, you can find Emily
at Mega Moth on Twitter, mega underscore

moth on Instagram and@megamoth.net.

Ben is on Twitter at Ben the Con and on
their website@benconcomics.com where you

can make sure to pre-order No Campbell
wins their weekend, their debut graphic or

their debut, not graphic novel, real novel
Middle grades novel from Scholastic.

Real

Ben: no, no graphics, no

Jeremy: graphics novel
except for the cover covers a

Ben: hit.

Oh Covers is gorgeous.

Yeah, it's very great.

Go look at the cover listener.

It looks.

It's

Jeremy: really fantastic.

It's very good.

Yes.

Emily: And,

Jeremy: Finally five stars.

And finally for me, you can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at j Rome 58 and

on my website@jeremywhitley.com, where
you can check out everything I write.

And of course, the podcast is on Patreon
at progressively horrified on our

website@progressivelyhorrified.transistor.fm
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where we would love to hear from you.

Speaking of loving to hear from
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Give us five stars so we can
find new listeners out there.

And as always, thanks
to TJ for joining us.

It's been fun.

We'll have to do it again real soon.

TJ: Always fun.

Yeah.

Ben: Thank you so much.

My God.

Yes.

Scream

Jeremy: game screens are now coming
faster than we can review them, so Yeah.

Ben: Hopefully will

TJ: I, I will accept them
yearly, as long as they're good.

Jeremy: Same.

Absolutely.

Uh, And thanks to all of
you for listening, and until

next time, stay horrified.

Ben: Yay.